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viper37

Quote from: dist on March 25, 2025, 03:10:48 PMDon't know about Corsican, but Napy VII definitely has an Italian accent.

(And I can't say I like Lafayette dialogues, his acting sounds forced)
Lafayette doesn't sound Parisian.

More like a Québécois actor speaking international French, like someone used to dubbing.
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viper37

You've gone all woke on us suddenly? :glare:

Fyi, French used to have 3 genders.  masculine, feminine and neutral, like latin.
explications en français

Abandoned toward the 13th century.

We drew the line at two.  No one shall pass. Unlike the English, we do not surrender our language conventions so easily. :P
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viper37

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 31, 2025, 01:13:00 PM
Quote from: Syt on March 25, 2025, 03:00:47 PMIs it me or have they tried to give Napoleon his Corsican accent in Civ7? :hmm:


Esp. when you compare with Lafayette:


It's a fail for the so-called Corsican accent. Not that the imitation of Italian accent is very good.

Seems like a Northern Italian accent.  almost like someome bilingual, French-Italian.

Weren't Corsicans speaking Italian back in mid to late 18th century? What would have been their dialect?  With someone learning French at his later school, it might be closer than we think.

Did they do these voices with an AI by any chance?
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If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

viper37

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2025, 09:35:03 PM


  has an excellent vid on Orwell which I dare any proponent of in group myth building to watch.  Facts liberate, myths enslave.
Hmm.

So, what you're saying now is, American history is badly teached?

And American politicians' use of alternative facts falls on the myth side or on the liberation side?
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: viper37 on March 31, 2025, 10:23:24 PMHmm.

So, what you're saying now is, American history is badly teached?

And American politicians' use of alternative facts falls on the myth side or on the liberation side?

I'm not qualified to pass judgement on how American history is taught.  I've never taken a dedicated American history class.

I don't know what you mean by alternative facts.  It sounds oxymoronic.

Syt

Quote from: viper37 on March 31, 2025, 10:04:23 PMYou've gone all woke on us suddenly? :glare:

Fyi, French used to have 3 genders.  masculine, feminine and neutral, like latin.
explications en français

Abandoned toward the 13th century.

We drew the line at two.  No one shall pass. Unlike the English, we do not surrender our language conventions so easily. :P

German still has three grammatical genders. With some oddities, like Mädchen (girl) being neutral. :P grammatical genders are pretty arbitrary. The same word might have a different gender in Austria and Germany (die Schranke vs der Schranken, der Service vs das Service) or change over time (der Zeck => die Zecke). Not to mention between languages. In German, sun is feminine and the moon masculine, while in French it's the opposite. Heck, we have genders for rivers -der Rhein, die Elbe. :P
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viper37

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2025, 10:29:02 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 31, 2025, 10:23:24 PMHmm.

So, what you're saying now is, American history is badly teached?

And American politicians' use of alternative facts falls on the myth side or on the liberation side?

1) I'm not qualified to pass judgement on how American history is taught.  I've never taken a dedicated American history class.

2) I don't know what you mean by alternative facts.  It sounds oxymoronic.
1) It's a jab at how most history is thought in many countries, full of national myths.  Canada or America are not exempt.  France, neither.

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts
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viper37

Quote from: Syt on March 31, 2025, 10:29:19 PMIn German, sun is feminine and the moon masculine, while in French it's the opposite. Heck, we have genders for rivers -der Rhein, die Elbe. :P
This is why I long ago abandoned my dream of learning German. :P
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grumbler

Quote from: viper37 on March 31, 2025, 10:23:24 PMHmm.

So, what you're saying now is, American history is badly teached?

And American politicians' use of alternative facts falls on the myth side or on the liberation side?

No school short of university teaches CRT.  CRT is the pet of some university professors. The unfortunate effect of CRT is to give the right just another strawman to screech against.

Of note is that there is no "theory" behind CRT. Like creationism, it's just dogma disguised as "theory."
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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: viper37 on March 31, 2025, 10:04:23 PMYou've gone all woke on us suddenly? :glare:

Fyi, French used to have 3 genders.  masculine, feminine and neutral, like latin.
explications en français

Abandoned toward the 13th century.

We drew the line at two.  No one shall pass. Unlike the English, we do not surrender our language conventions so easily. :P

Cases disappeared as well, there were only two anyways. Only remnants in the language such as pasteur and pâtre, or pute et putain.  :P

Masculine assimilated neutral, to be precise hence masculine being the genre non marqué. Neutral had closer to masculine than to feminine, in indo-european languages.
It's still the case in German compare der and das, only one difference.
Speaking of German :

Quote from: Syt on March 31, 2025, 10:29:19 PMGerman still has three grammatical genders. With some oddities, like Mädchen (girl) being neutral. :P grammatical genders are pretty arbitrary. The same word might have a different gender in Austria and Germany (die Schranke vs der Schranken, der Service vs das Service) or change over time (der Zeck => die Zecke). Not to mention between languages. In German, sun is feminine and the moon masculine, while in French it's the opposite. Heck, we have genders for rivers -der Rhein, die Elbe. :P

French sun and moon is based on Greco-Roman mythology where the deities were respectively masculine and feminine.
Sailor Moon must have been baffling in German, in the beginning.  :lol:
I have seen both masculine and feminine for la Weser.  :P Bouches-du-Weser département under Napoléon.
OTOH, the old, archaic, Latin-based name is always feminine, la Visurge (Visurgis).
It's always le Danube, le Rhin, l'Elbe anyways (the latter ambiguous I know).

Syt

Actually, I think the character name Sailor Moon was never translated into German. No Segler Mond. :P Which would probably not be as bad as the random German that Japanese like using in manga and anime. :D
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dist

Quote from: viper37Lafayette doesn't sound Parisian.

More like a Québécois actor speaking international French, like someone used to dubbing.

Seems you are right, IMDB says Lafayette was voice acted by Nicolas Collombet, who could be Nicolas Charbonneaux-Collombet. Honestly, to me, he just sounds like some voice actors I have heard before in children's program.

Quote from: viper37Seems like a Northern Italian accent. Almost like someone bilingual, French-Italian.

Napoleon has been voiced by Sam Kalidi, a Lebanese actor living in LA. I guess he had to learn the accent.

Syt

#1482
Looking up the voice actors on IMDB ... seems that they mostly tried to find native speakers (or close to). And now I know why Harriet Tubman sounded so familiar - it's Debra Wilson, who is in all kinds of things but who I specifically remember from Jedi Fallen Order and Wolfenstein The New Colossus. :D (She was also amazing as Mace Windu in the George Lucas Talk Show's live reading of Star Wars Ep. II ("The Great Kamino Kaper: A Live Staged Reading of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones").



I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.


Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.