Hawaii verifies Obama birth records to Arizona

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on May 24, 2012, 07:19:43 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 24, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
Something major has to happen to change the situation, it cannot de-escalate by itself.

Uh, things de-escalate on their own all the time.  I think you guys are being overly dramatic, like you have a conflict fetish or something.

Everything will be fine, once the HNIC is out of office.  Of course.

Tonitrus

Speaking of real-or-fake as it pertains to Presidents, this is recently in some news...




Bill Clinton and a trio of porn stars..."Like a Boss"?  Or "Like a cardboard cutout"?  (He looks fake as hell, but everything I've found says it's legit)

DGuller

Quote from: derspiess on May 24, 2012, 07:19:43 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 24, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
Something major has to happen to change the situation, it cannot de-escalate by itself.

Uh, things de-escalate on their own all the time.  I think you guys are being overly dramatic, like you have a conflict fetish or something.
The problem with whipping stupid masses into a frenzy is that you can't unwhip them as easily as you can whip them.  Countless propagandists found that out the hard way, when they got what they wanted out of the stupid masses, and then realized that they unleashed a monster they couldn't control. 

I'm not saying that both sides have been whipped into a frenzy, but I am saying that one of the sides definitely has been, and that's all it takes.  Sooner or later Democrats have to return the favor out of self-preservation if nothing else, because no one is dumb enough to keep disarming unilaterally indefinitely.  At some point it's going to be Republicans' turn to be sabotaged at every step by the Democrats, and they can't keep getting lucky and drawing a 9/11 card to buy a couple of years of artificial national unity.

dps

Quote from: Tonitrus on May 24, 2012, 08:20:24 PM

Bill Clinton and a trio of porn stars..."Like a Boss"?  Or "Like a cardboard cutout"?  (He looks fake as hell, but everything I've found says it's legit)

Seems to be real and to have been taken at a gala hosted by Prince Ranier of Monaco.  Nobody seems to know how the porn stars got on the guest list.  No indication that Clinton had any idea who they are;  he probably posed with a lot of other guests he didn't know.

Apparantly 1 of the 3 women in the pic isn't a porn star, but rather an executive at a drug testing company.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: dps on May 24, 2012, 08:27:15 PM
Seems to be real and to have been taken at a gala hosted by Prince Ranier of Monaco.  Nobody seems to know how the porn stars got on the guest list.

The one on the left wasn't on the list.  She got in by beating the shit out of four bouncers.

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grumbler

Quote from: DGuller on May 24, 2012, 08:23:54 PM
I'm not saying that both sides have been whipped into a frenzy, but I am saying that one of the sides definitely has been, and that's all it takes. 

Disagree.  The whole Moveon thing died a whimpering death even though, as you note, it had been whipped into a frenzy.  Ditto for the "Occupy" movement.  Soon, ditto for the Tea party.  People just can't sustain the kind of emotion that Moveon, Occupy, and Tea Party demand.

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11B4V

Quote from: Tonitrus on May 24, 2012, 08:20:24 PM
Speaking of real-or-fake as it pertains to Presidents, this is recently in some news...




Bill Clinton and a trio of porn stars..."Like a Boss"?  Or "Like a cardboard cutout"?  (He looks fake as hell, but everything I've found says it's legit)

What's the problem. We all know Bill a player.
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derspiess

Quote from: 11B4V on May 24, 2012, 09:37:56 PM
What's the problem. We all know Bill a player.

The problem is Bill can do a hell of a lot better than settle for some nasty porn skank.  The question is whether he wants to.  I mean, he settled for Lewinsky.
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CountDeMoney

I don't recognize any of those porn stars, so they obviously aren't very good.

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 24, 2012, 07:23:22 PM
Everything will be fine, once the HNIC is out of office.  Of course.

Heed Mourdock's advice & we'll all get along fine :hug:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 24, 2012, 09:48:36 PM
I don't recognize any of those porn stars, so they obviously aren't very good.

I bet Cal could quote their bios from memory.
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Quote from: DGuller on May 24, 2012, 08:23:54 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 24, 2012, 07:19:43 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 24, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
Something major has to happen to change the situation, it cannot de-escalate by itself.

Uh, things de-escalate on their own all the time.  I think you guys are being overly dramatic, like you have a conflict fetish or something.
The problem with whipping stupid masses into a frenzy is that you can't unwhip them as easily as you can whip them.  Countless propagandists found that out the hard way, when they got what they wanted out of the stupid masses, and then realized that they unleashed a monster they couldn't control. 


The MoveOn crowd eventually chilled out once their bugaboo was out of office, and so will the TeaBaggers. No difference.
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Where is the evidence that Moveon.org was actually a movement?
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11B4V

Quote from: derspiess on May 24, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 24, 2012, 09:37:56 PM
What's the problem. We all know Bill a player.

The problem is Bill can do a hell of a lot better than settle for some nasty porn skank.  The question is whether he wants to.  I mean, he settled for Lewinsky.

You dont understand. They're easy, not much effort required.

Why spend loads of cash on gifts and dinners, when you can take those to MacDonald's and get them a Happy Meal w/ toy.
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"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".