Civil Unrest in Quebec

[viper37]

Slate wrong about something? Shocking.

Despite their posturing, people in Quebec are actually Canadians.

we have a different civil code.  The case is basically about having the same "protection" for non married couples as in the rest of Canada.

[viper37]

One wonders just how quickly an independent Quebec would turn into the Greece of North America ... 

3-5 years, at most.

[viper37]

Sounds like a good prescription for future financial stability to me, right? I'm sure that, if in power in an independent Quebec, the new government would have no problems whatsoever reigning in spending and balancing its budget. 

The party line is that we will collect 100% of our taxes and avoid spending for a "warmongering army" and contend ourselves with "civil defense force".  From the same people that tear apart their shirts when Quebec doesn't get the biggest share of military contracts from Canada...

[viper37]

If you guys went independent would you be willing to have the massive cuts to public spending and services required? 

What do you think?     The actual seperatist movement does not have anything to do about having a different identity, it's all about being more socialist than the rest of Canada.  Wich is disgusting and eventually doomed to failure.  I am unaware of any communist independant movement succeeding in recent history, to achieve independance with democratic means.

[Grallon]

Malthus does make a good point Grallon.  If you guys went independent would you be willing to have the massive cuts to public spending and services required? 

People are fed up with corrupt elites whose privileges can no longer be justified since they care nothing about the consequences of their incessant and ruthless cash-grab.  That is something you can see everywhere in the West.  Here it's also colored with a nationalist undercurrent.

As for your question: this was done in the 90s - when the Prime Minister at the time (Lucien Bouchard) called upon the people to make sacrifices to achieve a zero deficit.  It was achieved - for a time - because the reasons for such sacrifices were explained to them by a leader whom they trusted.  Sadly he chose to step down in early 2001 - was followed by a lesser man and then the Liberals came to power...   We're now seeing the results of 10 years of tenure by *that* government.




G.

[Grallon]

What do you think?     The actual seperatist movement does not have anything to do about having a different identity, it's all about being more socialist than the rest of Canada.  Wich is disgusting and eventually doomed to failure.  I am unaware of any communist independant movement succeeding in recent history, to achieve independance with democratic means.

Are you really this blinded by your ideological hatred?  Communists really! 

What you see in Quebec, and in in several Western countries, is a form of fascism - where corporate unions walk hand in hand with private corporations - with the bureaucracy in the middle.  The configuration may differ from country to country but the end result is the same: democracy neutralized and reduced to a facade.

Electing a government from the right will not change that - all it will change is the window dressing.


G.

[Admiral Yi]

Death to the fascist union oppressors.

[Grey Fox]

I banged on my pot! Solidarity.

[11B4V]

Death to the fascist union oppressors.

Fuck the Unions

[katmai]

Death to the fascist union oppressors.

Fuck the Unions

[Tonitrus]

Death to the fascist union oppressors.

Fuck the Unions

Don't worry, your corporate enemy is the entertainment industry...thus your union is easily less evil. 

[katmai]

Yet I'm also a teamster so hah!

[viper37]

Sadly he chose to step down in early 2001 - was followed by a lesser man and then the Liberals came to power...   We're now seeing the results of 10 years of tenure by *that* government.
G.

He was pushed out of the way by his own party for being too "right-wing", "not enough of a seperatist" and no self respecting Péquiste will now admit ever liking him.

[viper37]

Here's another protest for you Grallon

The people now want to keep the criminal immigrants here and stop deporting them.  Will you join the party?

[viper37]

Are you really this blinded by your ideological hatred?  Communists really! 

What is Québec Solidaire according to you if not communist?  And what is la Classe if not a anarcho-communist group?

What you see in Quebec, and in in several Western countries, is a form of fascism - where corporate unions walk hand in hand with private corporations - with the bureaucracy in the middle.

Wich is a damn good reason not to join union supported protesters in their march against the government.

Wich is why we must get rid of the unions influence in our politics.

Entrepreneurs cooperate too much with scums like the FTQ, but they are left to fend for themselves, with no support at all, either from the government or the media.

Electing a government from the right will not change that - all it will change is the window dressing.

It should be attempted first, before saying it won't work.