How the Greek rescue failed

[Sheilbh]

I was wondering whether to go to Greece this year, but decided to wait a while as it is likely to be a lot cheaper next year 

I want to go and enjoy cheap Greece actually.  I'll say it's in the name of Euro-solidarity

I want to go to Tunisia too.  Still relatively cheap because of the revolution with none of the worries of a post-revolutionary situation.

[Zanza]

I think that even if Barroso had gone to Greece every other week, nothing would have changed. The country would still be unreformable.

[Barrister]

I was wondering whether to go to Greece this year, but decided to wait a while as it is likely to be a lot cheaper next year 

I want to go and enjoy cheap Greece actually.  I'll say it's in the name of Euro-solidarity

I want to go to Tunisia too.  Still relatively cheap because of the revolution with none of the worries of a post-revolutionary situation.

You should do both.  I remember my one trip to NYC was November 2001 and was particularily memorable because it felt like being a part of history...

[alfred russel]

I was wondering whether to go to Greece this year, but decided to wait a while as it is likely to be a lot cheaper next year 

On the other hand, this might be the last time to go to Germany for a while (if whatever currency they have appreciates quite a bit). I went to Norway last year, and the prices made it rather unpleasant. Well, along with the wind, rain, and cold, the prices made it unpleasant.

[alfred russel]

I want to go to Tunisia too.  Still relatively cheap because of the revolution with none of the worries of a post-revolutionary situation.

I'm thinking of taking a short holiday to Tunisia next year, actually.

[Sheilbh]

On the other hand, this might be the last time to go to Germany for a while (if whatever currency they have appreciates quite a bit). I went to Norway last year, and the prices made it rather unpleasant. Well, along with the wind, rain, and cold, the prices made it unpleasant.

East Germany's still surprisingly cheap.  At least when I last went Berlin was not only amazing fun it was really, really affordable.

You should do both.  I remember my one trip to NYC was November 2001 and was particularily memorable because it felt like being a part of history...

If I can afford either I will

[Zanza]

If I can afford either I will

Just borrow the money and spend it. That's the way out of this economic crisis!

[Tamas]

If I can afford either I will

Just borrow the money and spend it. That's the way out of this economic crisis!

Sad thing is that's indeed apparently the program of the "new wave" of the left in Europe.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

If I can afford either I will

Just borrow the money and spend it. That's the way out of this economic crisis!

communolise your debt and let the rest of the family pay for your trip, that will help too and make your really popular. :p

[Sheilbh]

If I can afford either I will

Just borrow the money and spend it. That's the way out of this economic crisis!

If someone was offering me loans with Gilt or Bund yields, I would

[Admiral Yi]

Just leadership and engagement Shelf?  Surely there must be some more catch phrases Germany lacks.

Anyone know what the minimum wages are in Greece, Spain, and Italy?

[Sheilbh]

Anyone know what the minimum wages are in Greece, Spain, and Italy?

€600 in Greece, down from €800.  I think Italy's one of those countries (like Germany, until recently perhaps?) that doesn't have a minimum wage, but minimum wages set by collective bargaining for different industries.

Edit:  Apparently Spain's is around €650.

[Admiral Yi]

I assume we're talking per month?

[Sheilbh]

I assume we're talking per month?

Yeah.  I think many Euro countries do a statutory minimum per month for full time workers rather than an hourly rate.

[Admiral Yi]

Yeah.  I think many Euro countries do a statutory minimum per month for full time workers rather than an hourly rate.

So what happens with part time workers?