Languish's church attendence

[Valmy]

I think God will have to explain the whole Holocaust gig, before I agree to be on speaking terms with him/it.

People have free will.

[Scipio]

He hates Jews because they won't accept killed Jeebus.  Duh.

No, he doesn't.

[Tonitrus]

He hates Jews because they won't accept killed Jeebus.  Duh.

No, he doesn't.

I thought Southern Protestant orthodoxy these days was is that Israel, and the Jewish people there, should be protected at any cost (especially if it involves nuking Muslims).

[Jaron]

You're confusing Protestant Orthodoxy with the GOP.

[garbon]

I think God will have to explain the whole Holocaust gig, before I agree to be on speaking terms with him/it.

People have free will.

Even parents intervene when their young children are making egregious errors.

[Barrister]

I think God will have to explain the whole Holocaust gig, before I agree to be on speaking terms with him/it.

People have free will.

Even parents intervene when their young children are making egregious errors.

Who is to say God didn't?

Within a few years Hitler was dead, Berlin lay in ruins, and the Jews had their own country... 

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I think God will have to explain the whole Holocaust gig, before I agree to be on speaking terms with him/it.

People have free will.

conflicts with the assertion that everything is part of god's plan. Conflicts with predestination too (in as far as both aren't the same)

[Tamas]

I think God will have to explain the whole Holocaust gig, before I agree to be on speaking terms with him/it.

People have free will.

conflicts with the assertion that everything is part of god's plan. Conflicts with predestination too (in as far as both aren't the same)

yes. Also the reason why these debates, while fun, are pointless.

The entire reason of existence for religiousness is to throw reason out of the window and install a comfy cushion against the harsh reality of being a highly complex chemical molecule or whatever, with no reason for existence. Not to mention full responsibility for your decisions and actions. That's a scary thought for a lot of folks.

But, this thread does remind me of Languish meets
Especially the debate in some tiny restaurant in the Italian Alps, while getting drunk on wine. 

[Valmy]

The entire reason of existence for religiousness is to throw reason out of the window and install a comfy cushion against the harsh reality of being a highly complex chemical molecule or whatever, with no reason for existence. Not to mention full responsibility for your decisions and actions. That's a scary thought for a lot of folks.

Hrm well I do not use it for that.  Nor do I find anything particular harsh about that reality, indeed if there was a reason for existance I probably would be religious since I would be out searching for what that meaning is.  Since there is none I am free to do whatever I find enjoyable.  And why is having no meaning so "harsh"?  Seems pretty liberating to me.

And in many religions it seems to me they make a far bigger deal about your decisions and actions, and put far more pressure on you, than ordinary life does.

[Valmy]

conflicts with the assertion that everything is part of god's plan. Conflicts with predestination too (in as far as both aren't the same)

True but those assertions conflict with the Bible itself, which is why I never really got them.  If God already knew what the Israelites/Adam and Eve/whomever were going to do he seemed surprisingly upset and surprised.  So his grand plan was to form convenents with people who were always going to piss him off?

Things like the Tsunami, which had no human agency involved, would strike me as more difficult to explain than the fact that people do bad stuff.  If I was one of those people who thinks everything is running according to plan anyway.

[Barrister]

But, this thread does remind me of Languish meets
Especially the debate in some tiny restaurant in the Italian Alps, while getting drunk on wine. 

That night was awesome.   

[Valmy]

That night was awesome.   

Hope CdM is not there.  He would explode into a rage and toss all of our wine out on the street.

[Barrister]

That night was awesome.   

Hope CdM is not there.  He would explode into a rage and toss all of our wine out on the street.

[showing off]

Nope it was me, Tamas, RH and Ank in the Italian Alps getting drunk on wine and discussing God and the meaning of life in the kind of really earnest discussion you can only have when you're half in the bag on really good wine.

[/showing off]

[Valmy]

I know you were saying you and Tamas actually did that 

PDH and I will talk about something cool at the football game this fall 

Like, you know, great Wyoming Running Backs of the 80s.

[Barrister]

I know you were saying you and Tamas actually did that 

PDH and I will talk about something cool at the football game this fall 

Like, you know, great Wyoming Running Backs of the 80s.

One of these days I am likely to show up in Texas...