Guardian: Apple would still be highly profitable if production was in U.S.

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garbon

Quote from: Ideologue on April 26, 2012, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 26, 2012, 04:38:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2012, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 26, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
Turns out I was correct.  I provided counter examples and was ignored.
That's because you're on so many ignore lists.

They can't handle the truth!

I told him.  He didn't listen.  I said, "Raz, you're great, I like you, most people would like you, but you go at people till it crosses a weird line.  Yi and I get alone fine, Berkie and I get along fine; your problem is you don't let shit go."  Does he listen?  Of course not.  No one listens to me, especially when I'm right. :(

command: ignore ide
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Berkut

Quote from: Ideologue on April 26, 2012, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 26, 2012, 04:38:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2012, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 26, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
Turns out I was correct.  I provided counter examples and was ignored.
That's because you're on so many ignore lists.

They can't handle the truth!

I told him.  He didn't listen.  I said, "Raz, you're great, I like you, most people would like you, but you go at people till it crosses a weird line.  Yi and I get alone fine, Berkie and I get along fine; your problem is you don't let shit go."  Does he listen?  Of course not.  No one listens to me, especially when I'm right. :(

The best part about having Raz on ignore is the occasional bit that pops up in a quote from someone else, and I remember "Oh yeah, Raz...kind of forgot about him...awesome!"
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Barrister

Quote from: Ideologue on April 26, 2012, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 26, 2012, 04:38:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2012, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 26, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
Turns out I was correct.  I provided counter examples and was ignored.
That's because you're on so many ignore lists.

They can't handle the truth!

I told him.  He didn't listen.  I said, "Raz, you're great, I like you, most people would like you, but you go at people till it crosses a weird line.  Yi and I get alone fine, Berkie and I get along fine; your problem is you don't let shit go."  Does he listen?  Of course not.  No one listens to me, especially when I'm right. :(

As a leftist, you're never right. :contract:
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grumbler

Quote from: Berkut on April 26, 2012, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2012, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 26, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
Turns out I was correct.  I provided counter examples and was ignored.
That's because you're on so many ignore lists.

:yes:

Disagree.  A lot of us ignore him, but many do not.  Even those not ignoring him, however, saw that he was providing examples to shoot down a mere strawman argument, and so recognized that his efforts were beneath notice.

If only those people extended their specific decision to a general rule, like the more advanced thinker have...
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Bayraktar!

grumbler

Quote from: Berkut on April 26, 2012, 11:50:20 PM
The best part about having Raz on ignore is the occasional bit that pops up in a quote from someone else, and I remember "Oh yeah, Raz...kind of forgot about him...awesome!"

Is there an actual ignore feature here?  If so, does it work to block entire threads started by the person on ignore?

I can ignore raz as a poster without any technological help, but I'd like to be able to block any thread started by a given poster.  That's take either more effort, or a bit of technological help.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Razgovory

Quote from: grumbler on April 27, 2012, 09:36:39 AM

Disagree.  A lot of us ignore him, but many do not.  Even those not ignoring him, however, saw that he was providing examples to shoot down a mere strawman argument, and so recognized that his efforts were beneath notice.

If only those people extended their specific decision to a general rule, like the more advanced thinker have...

You and Marty, the advanced thinkers.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on April 26, 2012, 05:50:38 PM
Those regulations are still on the books.  When they were passed is irrelevant since they still function.

It is entirely relevent when we are talking about the ability of the current political class' ability to use government regulation to achieve positive and appropriate results.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Ideologue on April 26, 2012, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 26, 2012, 04:38:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2012, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 26, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
Turns out I was correct.  I provided counter examples and was ignored.
That's because you're on so many ignore lists.

They can't handle the truth!

I told him.  He didn't listen.  I said, "Raz, you're great, I like you, most people would like you, but you go at people till it crosses a weird line.  Yi and I get alone fine, Berkie and I get along fine; your problem is you don't let shit go."  Does he listen?  Of course not.  No one listens to me, especially when I'm right. :(

I play rough.  It's who I am.  It's not my fault Berkut has a tantrum or Marty cries.  I suppose that's who they are.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

Quote from: HVC on April 26, 2012, 07:23:16 PM
Ignorant Marti sounds like a ineffectual and ultimately disappointing gay sex technique (move?) :lol:

:D

To me, Ignorant Marti sounds like what you'd call that one person in the office who just doesn't have a clue.  Sorta like a Debbie Downer.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on April 27, 2012, 09:48:42 AM
I play rough.  It's who I am.  It's not my fault Berkut has a tantrum or Marty cries.  I suppose that's who they are.

One of the problems with measuring your success by how much you piss people off is that you can lose track of whether you're achieving your goal by triumphantly speaking truth to power or by being a dick.


Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2012, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 26, 2012, 05:50:38 PM
Those regulations are still on the books.  When they were passed is irrelevant since they still function.

It is entirely relevent when we are talking about the ability of the current political class' ability to use government regulation to achieve positive and appropriate results.

I didn't know this was what we are talking about.  Since regulations are often designed to tackle large scale and long term problems data on them tends to be fairly old.  A more recent example could be the ban on CFCs which has decreased the amount of Chlorofluorocarbon in the atmosphere.  There is some good evidence that the Ozone layer has stabilized in the wake of regulations to protect it.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on April 27, 2012, 10:48:08 AM
Pissing people off is not the measurement I use.

What is the measurement you use?

The extent to which you convince your interlocutors that they're wrong?  The extent to which you convince 3rd party observers that your interlocutors are not to be believed?

Razgovory

That I have convinced myself that I am correct.  I'm not going to convince anyone else of anything.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017