STAR TREK

[Grey Fox]

ST reboot is a wonderous idea.

Rebooting any franchise is a stupid idea.  Never once has it produced something that didn't suck.

Batman?

[Neil]

ST reboot is a wonderous idea.

Rebooting any franchise is a stupid idea.  Never once has it produced something that didn't suck.

Batman?

Inferior to the original.

[Caliga]

ST reboot is a wonderous idea.

Rebooting any franchise is a stupid idea.  Never once has it produced something that didn't suck.

Batman?

Also, there's the new Superman, which, while it wasn't as good as the Batman reboot, was FAR AND AWAY better than Superman 4. ^

[Neil]

ST reboot is a wonderous idea.

Rebooting any franchise is a stupid idea.  Never once has it produced something that didn't suck.

Batman?

Also, there's the new Superman, which, while it wasn't as good as the Batman reboot, was FAR AND AWAY better than Superman 4. ^

But not as good as Superman or Superman II.

[Delirium]

Batman?

Inferior to the original.

Debatable.

[Caliga]

But not as good as Superman or Superman II.

Can't argue with that.

[Cerr]

Well the Batman film made in 1989 could be considered a reboot too.
There's at least two Batman films that were made before the 1989 version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1966_film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041162/

I'm going to see the new Star Trek film on Friday but the time travel story sounds a bit crap from what I've heard.

[Neil]

Batman?

Inferior to the original.

Debatable.

Batman screaming at people?  Not cool.

[Neil]

Well the Batman film made in 1989 could be considered a reboot too.

Not at all.  Both films were based on the comics of the time.  They were both faithful adaptations of the existing comics, and were separated by a generation.

[Josquius]

Also, there's the new Superman, which, while it wasn't as good as the Batman reboot, was FAR AND AWAY better than Superman 4. ^

The new Superman wasn't really a reboot though. It took the first 2 films as canon and just pretended what came after that didn't happen (or was it only 4 they ignored?)

And Batman Begins was rather good. Dark Knight was so-so but Begins trounces the 80s/90s series.

[Darth Wagtaros]

The moment they introduced time travel into Star Trek, it was all downhill. Yes, it was season 3, IIRC.

I think that it was alright until it became routine.  They did it twice in TOS and once in TNG.  When I really started to get annoyed was in DS9, when they introduced the department of Temporal Investigations.  All of the sudden we were doing more and more time travel, and as I understand it, there was a whole storyline about it in the Enterprise show (which I have never watched).

I think the entire plot of Enterprise revolved around a 'Temporal Cold War' or some really really really stupid crap like that. 

[grumbler]

Well the Batman film made in 1989 could be considered a reboot too.
There's at least two Batman films that were made before the 1989 version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1966_film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041162/

The 1949 Batman was a serial, not a movie.

[Cerr]

The moment they introduced time travel into Star Trek, it was all downhill. Yes, it was season 3, IIRC.

I think that it was alright until it became routine.  They did it twice in TOS and once in TNG.  When I really started to get annoyed was in DS9, when they introduced the department of Temporal Investigations.  All of the sudden we were doing more and more time travel, and as I understand it, there was a whole storyline about it in the Enterprise show (which I have never watched).

I think the entire plot of Enterprise revolved around a 'Temporal Cold War' or some really really really stupid crap like that.

I haven't seen all the episodes but I think that storyline ended in second season. The third season was about the Xindi and the fourth was mainly about the birth of the federation.

[Cerr]

Well the Batman film made in 1989 could be considered a reboot too.
There's at least two Batman films that were made before the 1989 version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1966_film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041162/

The 1949 Batman was a serial, not a movie.

Ah ok.

[Darth Wagtaros]

The moment they introduced time travel into Star Trek, it was all downhill. Yes, it was season 3, IIRC.

I think that it was alright until it became routine.  They did it twice in TOS and once in TNG.  When I really started to get annoyed was in DS9, when they introduced the department of Temporal Investigations.  All of the sudden we were doing more and more time travel, and as I understand it, there was a whole storyline about it in the Enterprise show (which I have never watched).

I think the entire plot of Enterprise revolved around a 'Temporal Cold War' or some really really really stupid crap like that.

I haven't seen all the episodes but I think that storyline ended in second season. The third season was about the Xindi and the fourth was mainly about the birth of the federation.

Meh, it was still a dominant part.  But the series was so awful that that was no surprise.  In the end they couldn't even let it stand on its own and had to have a TNG tie in.