Washington Named Britain's Greatest Foe

[Razgovory]

Warning, Will Robinson!  Danger!

Don't go there, Sheilbh.  It's a rathole.  Trust me. 

It's nice to know you still fear my debating skills.

[grumbler]

My whole point was that there was no need, once he won, to justify anything.  He only had this oath thing to get the French and the Church on his side.

Wait a minute, he didnt have to justify anything but he had to get the French and Church "on his side".  Seems to me that requires him to produce a justification.

Wait a minute, Valmy qualified his statement with "once he won" and you ignored that.  I wonder why? 

[crazy canuck]

My whole point was that there was no need, once he won, to justify anything.  He only had this oath thing to get the French and the Church on his side.

Wait a minute, he didnt have to justify anything but he had to get the French and Church "on his side".  Seems to me that requires him to produce a justification.

Wait a minute, Valmy qualified his statement with "once he won" and you ignored that.  I wonder why? 

Wait a minute, I didnt ignore it at all.  Go back down your hole silly rabbit.

Valmy, the timing matters not one whit.  At some point, whether it is before or after, you say he needed to get the French and the Church on his side.  Seems to me that requires him to produce a justification.  That justification was the oath which even the Normans say required a trick.

The trick is required presumably because everyone knew a story that Harold had consented to such a thing would be incredible.

[mongers]

[Myth alert]

The Normans were 'our' Mongols. 

[/Myth alert]

[crazy canuck]

Any statues? 

[Sheilbh]

Any statues? 

Lord no.  Who would commemorate such a monster?

[mongers]

Any statues? 

Lord no.  Who would commemorate such a monster?

That's weird, you'd think there would be one somewhere ? unsure.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Any statues? 

Lord no.  Who would commemorate such a monster?

Having pigeons shit on his likeness for all eternity seems appropriate.

[Valmy]

Lord no.  Who would commemorate such a monster?

But...but....he ended slavery in England!

[Razgovory]

Lord no.  Who would commemorate such a monster?

But...but....he ended slavery in England!

Is that true?  I know that slavery essentially ended under Norman rule, but I didn't know that William ended it.  It's not always clear when discussing slavery.  Some chronicles use "Slave" and "serf" interchangeably.

[Valmy]

Is that true?  I know that slavery essentially ended under Norman rule, but I didn't know that William ended it.  It's not always clear when discussing slavery.  Some chronicles use "Slave" and "serf" interchangeably.

That was tongue in cheek.  Before conquest there were slaves and afterwards no slaves.  But really that is a bit of a technicality.

[grumbler]

Wait a minute, I didnt ignore it at all.  Go back down your hole silly rabbit.

Wait a minute, you are still ignoring it!    Weaseling is still ignoring.
Personal attacks get you nowhere and just make you look immature, BTW.  Probably best to keep your eye on the ball. 

Valmy, the timing matters not one whit. 

Mere assertion, and unsupported by even common reasoning.  Timing was all-important, as he was a Christian lord proposing to attack another Christian lord.

At some point, whether it is before or after, you say he needed to get the French and the Church on his side. 

No.  Read his statement again.  He notes that, before William won, he needed to have the church and France on his side.  This is true.  The Pope had to sign off on the justification for one Christian lord to attack another with whom he had no existing grievance.  William created that grievance, and so got papal blessing.  From the French, William needed to recruit men and leaders.

Once William won, of course, he no longer needed to justify his actions; he was be the king, and kings can do shit because they want to.

Seems to me that requires him to produce a justification.  That justification was the oath which even the Normans say required a trick.

That was needed for the Pope and the French king, but not for the Saxons.  Thus, as Valmy noted, before the invasion but not after it.

[Razgovory]

I guess that means Grumbler is a really big weasel since he ignores most of my posts.

[CountDeMoney]

I guess that means Grumbler is a really big weasel since he ignores most of my posts.

I'm pretty sure he ignores all of them, what with you being on his "Ignore" list.

[Razgovory]

I guess that means Grumbler is a really big weasel since he ignores most of my posts.

I'm pretty sure he ignores all of them, what with you being on his "Ignore" list.

Sometimes he responds indirectly.  It's really kinda funny the way he gets all passive aggressive.