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Started by Razgovory, April 13, 2012, 01:01:59 AM

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Ideologue

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Quote from: Viking on April 13, 2012, 09:15:17 AM
"Evolution is cleverer than you are."

That's dumb.  Evolution has no purpose, and is certainly not "cleverer" than anything, as that is an adjective entirely inapplicable to a mindless sorting process that can almost certainly be demonstrated to have, over 700 or million years, to have generated vast negative utility and few and arguably no positive outcomes; even attributing a computational aspect to it, it's shockingly inefficient.  Just look how poorly "designed" humans, or indeed most life forms, are.  Natural selection is a very, very, very low bar to clear for an intelligent species, and no changes for the better can ever be expected unless we make them ourselves.
Kinemalogue
Current reviews: The 'Burbs (9/10); Gremlins 2: The New Batch (9/10); John Wick: Chapter 2 (9/10); A Cure For Wellness (4/10)

Razgovory

Quote from: Ideologue on April 13, 2012, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 13, 2012, 09:15:17 AM
"Evolution is cleverer than you are."

That's dumb.  Evolution has no purpose, and is certainly not "cleverer" than anything, as that is an adjective entirely inapplicable to a mindless sorting process that can almost certainly be demonstrated to have, over 700 or million years, to have generated vast negative utility and few and arguably no positive outcomes; even attributing a computational aspect to it, it's shockingly inefficient.  Just look how poorly "designed" humans, or indeed most life forms, are.  Natural selection is a very, very, very low bar to clear for an intelligent species, and no changes for the better can ever be expected unless we make them ourselves.

It's an articular of faith.  The idea that science in all it's splendor might inadvertently fulfill the goals of the homophobe is likely troubling for a lot of people. 
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Siege

Quote from: Syt on April 13, 2012, 01:10:47 AM
I'm generally against designer babies. Not because of moral issues with it, but because many parents are stupid and I don't trust them to make good choices. Just look at some of the names that parents, esp. from less educated, lower classes, give their kids. Do we want such people deciding genetic makeups of their kids? I think not.

Yes, let the big goverment decide.
They know what's good for you.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Martinus

Quote from: Siege on April 15, 2012, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: Syt on April 13, 2012, 01:10:47 AM
I'm generally against designer babies. Not because of moral issues with it, but because many parents are stupid and I don't trust them to make good choices. Just look at some of the names that parents, esp. from less educated, lower classes, give their kids. Do we want such people deciding genetic makeups of their kids? I think not.

Yes, let the big goverment decide.
They know what's good for you.

You are a fucking retard. He is saying that nature should decide, not people - whether parents or the government.

Sickening cretin. I'm really happy you can't procreate.

Ideologue

Except nature doesn't "decide" anything.  It takes a strikingly ebon view of human nature to suppose that decisionmakers (economically rational, or less so) would be less good at identifying desirable phenotypes for their children.

Silly too, given that's what people already do when they fuck, except they do it in an glitch-ridden, information-poor system.
Kinemalogue
Current reviews: The 'Burbs (9/10); Gremlins 2: The New Batch (9/10); John Wick: Chapter 2 (9/10); A Cure For Wellness (4/10)

Razgovory

Quote from: Siege on April 15, 2012, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: Syt on April 13, 2012, 01:10:47 AM
I'm generally against designer babies. Not because of moral issues with it, but because many parents are stupid and I don't trust them to make good choices. Just look at some of the names that parents, esp. from less educated, lower classes, give their kids. Do we want such people deciding genetic makeups of their kids? I think not.

Yes, let the big goverment decide.
They know what's good for you.

Big government has decided stuff for you for almost your entire life.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2012, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 15, 2012, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: Syt on April 13, 2012, 01:10:47 AM
I'm generally against designer babies. Not because of moral issues with it, but because many parents are stupid and I don't trust them to make good choices. Just look at some of the names that parents, esp. from less educated, lower classes, give their kids. Do we want such people deciding genetic makeups of their kids? I think not.

Yes, let the big goverment decide.
They know what's good for you.

You are a fucking retard. He is saying that nature should decide, not people - whether parents or the government.

Sickening cretin. I'm really happy you can't procreate.

Marty don't pay attention.  Siege is going to have a kid.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017