The Supreme Court & Obamacare

[Razgovory]

Health insurance from an employer = Free medicine?

Yes, at least according to one of your side's spokeswomen:

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/romney-heckler-if-youre-looking-free-stuff-vote-obama

Is that the way it works in real life?

[Razgovory]

Anyway, it's nice to know that random people in the crowd can be considered "Spokesman".  I'll be sure to use that as a future.

[alfred russel]

If it is that is hilarious.  Congress looks like a bunch of morons again.

Win the presidency, the house with a big margin, and a filibuster proof majority in the senate? Forget any major reform ideas, what really matters is you don't have a majority on the USSC. It's like how Al Gore looked like a moron for trying to become president when 5 guys on the USSC were republicans.

[derspiess]

Anyway, it's nice to know that random people in the crowd can be considered "Spokesman".  I'll be sure to use that as a future.

It was a joke, Howdy.

[DontSayBanana]

I don't get the "legitimacy" thing you keep harping on.  I don't think I ever questioned the legitimacy of the 111th congress, nor of the Obama presidency.

Does that mean you have questioned the legitimacy of the 112th, which is the one we're currently on?

[alfred russel]

So will it go in whole or just the mandate?

No mandate = an extremely screwed up law. The mandate is the lynchpin for a sizeable chunk of it.

[derspiess]

I don't get the "legitimacy" thing you keep harping on.  I don't think I ever questioned the legitimacy of the 111th congress, nor of the Obama presidency.

Does that mean you have questioned the legitimacy of the 112th, which is the one we're currently on?

No.  I don't believe I've questioned the legitimacy of any Congress

[DontSayBanana]

Eh, I don't even know where to stand on the mandate.  It seems kinda ham-fisted, but that might be my part-time, minimum-wage employment talking, since there's no way I could afford even an "affordable" healthcare package.

[Habbaku]

I question the legitimacy of the 28th Congress.

[Admiral Yi]

Audio and transcript of today's argument are available at: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=11-398-Tuesday

Maybe it's the nature of SC oral arguments, but I'm a couple pages in and that Vermicelli dude sounds like a 7th grader.

[Valmy]

I question the legitimacy of the 28th Congress.

Hey!  Best.  Congress.  Ever.

[Habbaku]

Maybe it's the nature of SC oral arguments, but I'm a couple pages in and that Vermicelli dude sounds like a 7th grader.

You go to the Supreme Court with the Solicitor-General you have.

[Admiral Yi]

Now I'm at page 15 and Ginsberg, Breyer, and Sotomayor are making Verrilli's arguments for him.

We had a link not too far back about some famous case in which the ineptitude of one of the solicitors was demonstrated by the sympathetic justices helping him make his arguments.

Is this my bias or does the transcript show Verrilli making a hash of things?

[CountDeMoney]

No, just that some Congresses are more legitimate than others, i.e., ones that pass legislation you approve of, versus those that don't.

I don't get the "legitimacy" thing you keep harping on.  I don't think I ever questioned the legitimacy of the 111th congress, nor of the Obama presidency.

No, just "the congress that passed it, anyway"; "that" Congress, as opposed to, say, "this" Congress.  "That" President.

[CountDeMoney]

If it is that is hilarious.  Congress looks like a bunch of morons again.

Win the presidency, the house with a big margin, and a filibuster proof majority in the senate? Forget any major reform ideas, what really matters is you don't have a majority on the USSC. It's like how Al Gore looked like a moron for trying to become president when 5 guys on the USSC were republicans.

Reagan wins in the afterlife.