Trayvon Martin case: use of Stand Your Ground law or pursuit of a black teen?

[Razgovory]

Trayvon is a criminal's name. It seems like an open and shut case.

You make your point much quicker and clearer Rasputin did.

[Jacob]

When and how did this initial assault take place?

I don't know. I guess we should look at the results of the police investigation.

Oh... wait... they declined to investigate.

[Rasputin]

What is this "Objective Evidence"?

the cops noted on the scene that zimmerman had a bloody nose and a cut on the back of his head

of course we all know the cops could have lied to help their buddy zimmerman out

[CountDeMoney]

When and how did this initial assault take place?

I don't know. I guess we should look at the results of the police investigation.

Oh... wait... they declined to investigate.

They'll have a press conference at 2pm EST today.

[Rasputin]

When and how did this initial assault take place?

I don't know. I guess we should look at the results of the police investigation.

Oh... wait... they declined to investigate.

they did investigate at the scene

they declined to further investigate

[derspiess]

By approaching Martin in the manner in which he did; by not making an announcement as to who is was or his intentions, without any challenge, inducing a sense of fear in Martin(as communicated to the individual he was speaking with on his cell phone) with a deadly weapon on his person--which was, for a guy that called 911 42 times in a calendar year as a self-appointed vigilante, most likely already brandished.

I'm about as skeptical about Zimmermano as you are, but I'm not seeing the assault that you're seeing there in your crystal ball.

You do know that physical contact is not a legal requirement to commit an assault, right?  That's battery.

No shit.

[Jacob]

they did investigate at the scene

they declined to further investigate

And that's what's shit.

When someone is killed while walking home from the corner store with ice tea and skittles because an armed vigilante confronts him, you don't decline to investigate further when the killer says "he attacked me first".

[Rasputin]

they did investigate at the scene

they declined to further investigate

And that's what's shit.

When someone is killed while walking home from the corner store with ice tea and skittles because an armed vigilante confronts him, you don't decline to investigate further when the killer says "he attacked me first".

and if that was the totality of the evidence youd probably be correct

[CountDeMoney]

I'm about as skeptical about Zimmermano as you are, but I'm not seeing the assault that you're seeing there in your crystal ball.

I bet if Zimmerman had approached a fetus, you'd see it differently.

[Valmy]

there was objective evidence from wich the investigating officer could conclude that zimmerman shot martin after martin hit him over the head from behind with some object

while you can interpret the facts differently a conviction must be with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and based upon the corroborating evidence the cops could have reasonably concluded that the evidence would not meet the very high standard needed for a conviction

But there are no witnesses and the only guy who could testify against him is dead.  So how exactly could anybody be convicted in these circumstances?  'He attacked me, I felt unsafe so I shot him'.  Boom, impossible to convict in the State of Florida?  It would be very difficult but based on the facts I am just amazed there wasn't at least a Grand Jury hearing.

Besides can I just stalk people with firearms freely over there and if anybody freaks out about it and does something irrational I am free to killl them legally? 

[Razgovory]

What is this "Objective Evidence"?

the cops noted on the scene that zimmerman had a bloody nose and a cut on the back of his head

of course we all know the cops could have lied to help their buddy zimmerman out

That is Objective evidence that Zimmerman had some cuts.  Not that Zimmerman was ambushed.  It not unusual for a murderer to be injured during the course of his crime.  In fact this would seem to be an excellent time to you know, investigate. 

Actually, the Police did mention that Zimmerman was taking law enforcement classes to the father of the deceased. 

Tracy Martin said that when he asked police why Zimmerman hadn't been charged, officers told him "they respected [Zimmerman's] background, that he studied criminal justice for four years and that he was squeaky clean."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1335984.html

So they seemed to on decent relations with the guy.  Hell, they would have the time to strike up a friendly releationship, since he called the cops dozens of times a year.

[derspiess]

I'm about as skeptical about Zimmermano as you are, but I'm not seeing the assault that you're seeing there in your crystal ball.

I bet if Zimmerman had approached a fetus, you'd see it differently.

[Rasputin]

By approaching Martin in the manner in which he did; by not making an announcement as to who is was or his intentions, without any challenge, inducing a sense of fear in Martin(as communicated to the individual he was speaking with on his cell phone) with a deadly weapon on his person--which was, for a guy that called 911 42 times in a calendar year as a self-appointed vigilante, most likely already brandished.

I'm about as skeptical about Zimmermano as you are, but I'm not seeing the assault that you're seeing there in your crystal ball.

You do know that physical contact is not a legal requirement to commit an assault, right?  That's battery.

No shit.

agreed

zimmerman is a douche bag and had he been home playing swtor and not being a busy body none of this would've happened

none of that changes whether there was objective evidence to corroborate that prior to the shooting martin physically assaulted him (battery) causing zimmerman to fear for his life and pull the trigger

while the evidence can be interpreted diffrently, that certainly falls within the ambit of a discretionary call to decline to charge zimmerman with a crime

[Razgovory]

and if that was the totality of the evidence youd probably be correct

Oh, he forgot the cut.  How silly.  The man had a cut.  Obviously he was innocent.

[CountDeMoney]

none of that changes whether there was objective evidence to corroborate that prior to the shooting martin physically assaulted him (battery) causing zimmerman to fear for his life and pull the trigger

while the evidence can be interpreted diffrently, that certainly falls within the ambit of a discretionary call to decline to charge zimmerman with a crime

LOL, "objective evidence" that can be "interpreted differently".  What a lawyer.