Trayvon Martin case: use of Stand Your Ground law or pursuit of a black teen?

[garbon]

He's certainly no Dos Equis guy, that's for sure.  Zimmerman?  No accent?  C'mon, man.  Some spic banged his grandmother, doesn't make him Hispanic.   Douche.

Just because you want him to be white for whatever reason doesn't make it so.  Mook.

*picture of Jersey Shore reject*

Also, the Dos Equis guy is a Jew from New York, you fuckin tool.

You people need to stop seeing race in everything.

Oh the Jairony.

[Razgovory]

The US census bureau disagrees.  You can be both Hispanic and White.

[CountDeMoney]

Oh the Jairony.

That's enough outta you, Queen Latifa.

[MadBurgerMaker]

The US census bureau disagrees.  You can be both Hispanic and White.

Yeah, there was some shit about that the last time the census did their thing. 

[Valmy]

Yeah, there was some shit about that the last time the census did their thing. 

Well Hispanic is not a race (except when it is).  After all Dominicans are Hispanic and are mostly of African descent while Agentinians are Hispanic and are mostly of Euro descent.  Spaniards tend to make the census' head explode as well.  Are people from Hispania Hispanic *cue head explosions*?

But when people think Hispanic they tend to think of the Mestizos types but we cannot classify people that way so....

[garbon]

Oh the Jairony.

That's enough outta you, Queen Latifa.

Some needs to call out that shit.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Well Hispanic is not a race (except when it is).  After all Dominicans are Hispanic and are mostly of African descent while Agentinians are Hispanic and are mostly of Euro descent.  Spaniards tend to make the census' head explode as well.  Are people from Hispania Hispanic *cue head explosions*?

But when people think Hispanic they tend to think of the Mestizos types but we cannot classify people that way so....

I know a lot of people who checked that "some other race" box and filled in whatever. 

[Valmy]

I know a lot of people who checked that "some other race" box and filled in whatever. 

I think once you check off 'Hispanic' they just ignore the racial stuff and lump you in that catagory.

[Rasputin]

under the common law, one had a duty to retreat, if possible, before being allowed to use deadly force in self defense

despite the media hype and "legal experts" spouting off to advance their agendas, the only thing this law does is eliminate the common law duty to retreat.

under the common law victims of crime who used deadly force in self defense often found themselves on trial because some prosecutor claimed that the victim could have retreated instead of defend themselves

the law is good and regardless of what happened here changing the law because of a fringe case is bad policy

that being said, the sanford police (an orlando bedroom community) claim that zimmerman had a bloody nose and a cut on the back of his head providing contempoaraneous physical evidence that martin in fact attacked zimmerman before the shooting -- what possible motive does a cop have for not making an arrest absent a genuine belief that there is insufficient evidence that a crime occured?

there is a duty on the part of police and prosecutors to not charge people with crimes if it appears that the evidence will not be sufficient to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt

that being said, let's let the mob justice and racial hysteria continue because its far easier for the media and hoi polloi to understand "dude with white sounding last name kills black kid and gets away with it = racism" than explaining why trillions of dollars in public debt to foreign sovereigns is threatenng to destroy all of  our grandchildren

[CountDeMoney]

Pfft, Florida lawyers. 

[Duque de Bragança]

Well Hispanic is not a race (except when it is).  After all Dominicans are Hispanic and are mostly of African descent while Agentinians are Hispanic and are mostly of Euro descent.  Spaniards tend to make the census' head explode as well.  Are people from Hispania Hispanic *cue head explosions*?

Wait, Portuguese people could be considered as Hispanic ?  Why not Hispanian if you want to use it in an Antiquity context ?

[MadBurgerMaker]

I think once you check off 'Hispanic' they just ignore the racial stuff and lump you in that catagory.

Probably. 

I would be vaguely interested in seeing what people fill in in those boxes after they pick the last "other race" option.

[derspiess]

under the common law, one had a duty to retreat, if possible, before being allowed to use deadly force in self defense

despite the media hype and "legal experts" spouting off to advance their agendas, the only thing this law does is eliminate the common law duty to retreat.

under the common law victims of crime who used deadly force in self defense often found themselves on trial because some prosecutor claimed that the victim could have retreated instead of defend themselves

the law is good and regardless of what happened here changing the law because of a fringe case is bad policy

that being said, the sanford police (an orlando bedroom community) claim that zimmerman had a bloody nose and a cut on the back of his head providing contempoaraneous physical evidence that martin in fact attacked zimmerman before the shooting -- what possible motive does a cop have for not making an arrest absent a genuine belief that there is insufficient evidence that a crime occured?

there is a duty on the part of police and prosecutors to not charge people with crimes if it appears that the evidence will not be sufficient to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt

that being said, let's let the mob justice and racial hysteria continue because its far easier for the media and hoi polloi to understand "dude with white sounding last name kills black kid and gets away with it = racism" than explaining why trillions of dollars in public debt to foreign sovereigns is threatenng to destroy all of  our grandchildren

What troubles me is that it sounds like Zimmerman chased the kid down.  There's a difference between not retreating and actively pursuing.  Would the law still favor Zimmerman if he had pursued the kid?

[derspiess]

Wait, Portuguese people could be considered as Hispanic ? 

I believe so, according to some definitions.  I think it's a pretty silly designation for that & other reasons.

[Rasputin]

Pfft, Florida lawyers. 

im curious to see stonewall's take on it