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Obama to block Keystone oil pipeline

Started by Kleves, January 18, 2012, 02:20:13 PM

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MadImmortalMan

Maybe if Canada would sponsor more terrorism we'd buy more oil from them.
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fhdz

Quote from: Zoupa on January 20, 2012, 02:32:54 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 19, 2012, 09:47:33 AM
Plus, you do know they reclaim the land once their done, right?

:lol:

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Phillip V

By a nearly 2-to-1 margin, a majority of Americans think the government should approve the building of the Keystone XL pipeline, according to a new Gallup poll Thursday.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74342.html

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Phillip V on March 22, 2012, 09:23:53 AM
By a nearly 2-to-1 margin, a majority of Americans think the government should approve the building of the Keystone XL pipeline, according to a new Gallup poll Thursday.

And it will be, once the appropriate environmental impact studies are completed.

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 22, 2012, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 22, 2012, 09:23:53 AM
By a nearly 2-to-1 margin, a majority of Americans think the government should approve the building of the Keystone XL pipeline, according to a new Gallup poll Thursday.

And it will be, once the appropriate environmental impact studies are completed.

:lol:
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on March 22, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 22, 2012, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 22, 2012, 09:23:53 AM
By a nearly 2-to-1 margin, a majority of Americans think the government should approve the building of the Keystone XL pipeline, according to a new Gallup poll Thursday.

And it will be, once the appropriate environmental impact studies are completed.

:lol:

We will build no pipeline before its time.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: derspiess on March 22, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 22, 2012, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 22, 2012, 09:23:53 AM
By a nearly 2-to-1 margin, a majority of Americans think the government should approve the building of the Keystone XL pipeline, according to a new Gallup poll Thursday.

And it will be, once the appropriate environmental impact studies are completed.

:lol:

Yeah imagine actually following the law.  What kind of rube President do we have that thinks he has to faithfully execute the laws as written?
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Razgovory

The Jew Minsky has a good point.  I have no problem with any pipelines.  Obama shouldn't have allowed the Republicans to get him on this issue.
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derspiess

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 22, 2012, 01:45:22 PM
Yeah imagine actually following the law.  What kind of rube President do we have that thinks he has to faithfully execute the laws as written?

Go on.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 22, 2012, 01:45:22 PM
Yeah imagine actually following the law.  What kind of rube President do we have that thinks he has to faithfully execute the laws as written?

You can't be serious.  You really think it was the purest of coincidences that the study was scheduled to be completed after the general election?

And with the recent announcement in Oklahoma that Obama is fasttracking the bottom portion of the pipeline, is that a case of faithfully or unfaithfully executing the laws?

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 22, 2012, 02:14:27 PM
You can't be serious.  You really think it was the purest of coincidences that the study was scheduled to be completed after the general election? 

I have no idea how the schedule was set - you tell me.  What is the usual time for completing a NEPA review for a pipeline of this size? 

QuoteAnd with the recent announcement in Oklahoma that Obama is fasttracking the bottom portion of the pipeline, is that a case of faithfully or unfaithfully executing the laws? 

If the law permits the President to set an accelerated review schedule for that part of the project, then he is faithfully executing the laws.  If it doesn't, then he isn't.

That has nothing to do with the decision made in January, when TransCanada deliberately submitted an incomplete application
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 22, 2012, 02:32:30 PM
I have no idea how the schedule was set - you tell me.  What is the usual time for completing a NEPA review for a pipeline of this size? 

It turns out now that the scheduling is negotiable.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 22, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 22, 2012, 02:32:30 PM
I have no idea how the schedule was set - you tell me.  What is the usual time for completing a NEPA review for a pipeline of this size? 

It turns out now that the scheduling is negotiable.

I'm not sure that's right - IIRC there are additional requirements for a cross-border project that TC is now getting around by just submitting the lower half for approval.

But even if it was true, so what?  If TC wanted to negotiate a schedule, it should have done that instead of submitting an incomplete application and daring the President to take the political heat by denying it.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 22, 2012, 02:45:27 PM
But even if it was true, so what?  If TC wanted to negotiate a schedule, it should have done that instead of submitting an incomplete application and daring the President to take the political heat by denying it.

The so what is that the orginal schedule was set for reasons of political expediency, not legal requirement.  Which is why Speiss was justified in laughing at Seedy's post and why you were unjustified in taking exception.

Barrister

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 22, 2012, 01:45:22 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 22, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 22, 2012, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 22, 2012, 09:23:53 AM
By a nearly 2-to-1 margin, a majority of Americans think the government should approve the building of the Keystone XL pipeline, according to a new Gallup poll Thursday.

And it will be, once the appropriate environmental impact studies are completed.

:lol:

Yeah imagine actually following the law.  What kind of rube President do we have that thinks he has to faithfully execute the laws as written?

Environmental assessments are all done on a state level.

The President is only involved because it crosses an international boundary, and thus requires approval from the State Department (not the EPA, Interior Dep't, or anyone else with any experience in environmental issues).
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