GOP Primary Megathread!

[Razgovory]

A bill of exchange is just a written instrument that instructs a bank to pay the bearer.  These days, we call it a "check" - which is form of BoE that allows the authorized bearer to get the funds on demand.

Reading between the lines of what Cal wrote, the term "bill of exchange" is a popular one amongst the various free man/sovereign citizen/de-tax wingnuts.

You are correct.  What Ide was describing was a run in with one of those people.  http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement

SPLC has a list of terms used by them http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/sovereign-idioticon-a-dictionary-of-the

Bill of Exchange
A fake check used to access the funds in the secret Treasury account supposedly set up by the government to monetize the value of each citizen's life at birth.

These folks are dangerous, they occasionally shoot at law enforcement.  My advice to Ide, is to avoid this person.

What I want to know, is why you come across them in Canada?  I would have thought that since they are based around a poor understanding of the American Constitution they would be an American phenomenon.  As far as I know the US constitutions doesn't matter a great deal in Canadian law.

[katmai]

I like Santorum's comments on Puerto Rico...not.

Romney is half-Latino. Hopefully, Puerto Rico is a big win for him this Sunday.

[Sheilbh]

I like Santorum's comments on Puerto Rico...not.

Romney is half-Latino. Hopefully, Puerto Rico is a big win for him this Sunday.

Some of his ancestors moved to Mexico so they could continue to be polygamists.  I think George Romney was born in Chihuahua.  So far however the Romney campaign haven't made a great deal of this 'Latino' connection

[katmai]

I like Santorum's comments on Puerto Rico...not.

Romney is half-Latino. Hopefully, Puerto Rico is a big win for him this Sunday.

Some of his ancestors moved to Mexico so they could continue to be polygamists.  I think George Romney was born in Chihuahua.  So far however the Romney campaign haven't made a great deal of this 'Latino' connection

I know all that, but a gringo born in Mexico who left for States at 5 years old  does not make Mitt Romney a "Latino"

[Ideologue]

Reading between the lines of what Cal wrote, the term "bill of exchange" is a popular one amongst the various free man/sovereign citizen/de-tax wingnuts.

Bills of exchange were a dominant tool of finance in the 19th century.  Much of banking activity, including central banking activity, revolved around discounting private Bills, and they were used by all sorts of business concerns to finance operations and trading activities.  Nowadays much the same function is performed by the bond and CP markets.

I have no clue why the tax protest or freemen cultists would be interested in the concept other than its association with a time period in which the gold standard was the norm.

EDIT- one did occur to me.  Bills have to be "accepted" (acknowledged) by the drawee - so if some sort of debt or contractual obligation is analogized to a BoE, the purported drawee in that instance could refuse to "accept" and thus not pay.

Yeah, I made a mistake in relaying what he said.  He was talking about a bill of exchange (a check) that they would not accept in payment of a debt (which means money isn't real!).  He didn't actually refer to the contract as a BoE.

My understanding is this guy actually does have some significant assets--he works as a cook because he likes to work, and likes food, but I believe he's paying his kid's culinary education out of pocket--but is not what you'd call a sophisticated party (not dumb, if prone to some serious irrationalities based on ideological wish-fulfillment).  He claims the law firm contacting him regarding the debt never served him a complaint and summons and will not reveal the name of their client (if he's being sued by someone, I have no idea how this could happen, so my guess is he's not actually being sued even though he did speak of a motion to dismiss...

Edited out.  See below.

[Ideologue]

NOW I remember.  He knows the name of the plaintiff.  He wants the court to compel the plaintiff to reveal the name of their Freemason backers.

You can see why I forgot.  It sort of short-circuits the mind.  I didn't want to remember.

Anyway, I'm sure that'll go fine.

[Razgovory]

NOW I remember.  He knows the name of the plaintiff.  He wants the court to compel the plaintiff to reveal the name of their Freemason backers.

You can see why I forgot.  It sort of short-circuits the mind.  I didn't want to remember.

Anyway, I'm sure that'll go fine.

Read up on my link from the SPLC.  That's your guys beliefs.  He's insane.  May vote for Ron Paul, but just as likely isn't registered to vote.

[Phillip V]

I like Santorum's comments on Puerto Rico...not.

Romney is half-Latino. Hopefully, Puerto Rico is a big win for him this Sunday.

Some of his ancestors moved to Mexico so they could continue to be polygamists.  I think George Romney was born in Chihuahua.  So far however the Romney campaign haven't made a great deal of this 'Latino' connection

I know all that, but a gringo born in Mexico who left for States at 5 years old  does not make Mitt Romney a "Latino"

Depends on messaging and money spent on marketing. For example, Obama made effective use of his white connection and how his "grandfather marched in Patton's army".

Once Romney gets the nomination, we will see the emergence of "Mexican Romney".

[katmai]

Jesus PV, not at all comparable.

Obama you know actually has "white" lineage.
Romney has a dad born in Chiuahahua to two parents from Utah and was back in USA before he turned six.

Sure he has bunch of cousins living over there in Mormon insulated enclaves, but Mitt sure as shit knows he has nothing to stand on in regards to claiming to be Mexican.

[Tonitrus]

Jesus PV, not at all comparable.

Obama you know actually has "white" lineage.
Romney has a dad born in Chiuahahua to two parents from Utah and was back in USA before he turned six.

Sure he has bunch of cousins living over there in Mormon insulated enclaves, but Mitt sure as shit knows he has nothing to stand on in regards to claiming to be Mexican.

So if Hitler had escaped to Argentina, his children cannot claim to be latino? 

[Eddie Teach]

As Latino's not a race, I don't see why not.

[Phillip V]

Jesus PV, not at all comparable.

Obama you know actually has "white" lineage.
Romney has a dad born in Chiuahahua to two parents from Utah and was back in USA before he turned six.

Sure he has bunch of cousins living over there in Mormon insulated enclaves, but Mitt sure as shit knows he has nothing to stand on in regards to claiming to be Mexican.

Most Latinos consider themselves white.

[garbon]

As Latino's not a race, I don't see why not.

So if Latino was one of those mutable concepts we call races, then they wouldn't be able to?

[garbon]

Jesus PV, not at all comparable.

Obama you know actually has "white" lineage.
Romney has a dad born in Chiuahahua to two parents from Utah and was back in USA before he turned six.

Sure he has bunch of cousins living over there in Mormon insulated enclaves, but Mitt sure as shit knows he has nothing to stand on in regards to claiming to be Mexican.

Most Latinos consider themselves white.

What exactly would you say your definition of Latino is?

[Eddie Teach]

So if Latino was one of those mutable concepts we call races, then they wouldn't be able to?

If Hitler and Eva Braun had a child in Africa, it would not be black. If they had one in China, it would not be yellow. If they had one in Argentina, it could potentially be Latino.