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GOP Primary Megathread!

Started by jimmy olsen, December 19, 2011, 07:06:58 PM

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Sheilbh

Quote from: Neil on February 06, 2012, 07:38:26 PM
Wouldn't it be better if the mortgaged properties were forgiven enough debt so that they were no longer underwater but to retain the bulk of the loan, or is that what we're talking about here?
I think this is like what Obama proposed based on the ideas of one of Romney's economic advisors.  Basically his argument is that the extremely low interest rates haven't had as much effect as they should because of the amount of people with negative equity.  They can't take advantage of the lower interest rates and that's holding the economy back.  The policy is some way of allowing people who are paying their mortgages to refinance at current, lower, interest rates.  It seems an interesting idea to me, but it's not from Warren.
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DGuller

Loan forgiveness isn't that new of an idea in general.  One thing that always puzzled me is why banks are so adamnant about foreclosing and kicking people out.  Yes, they're the creditors, and they get the whole house after a default.  Why won't they renegotiate with the current owners rather than let the house that they now own rot or go at fire-sale prices?  They're losing money either way, surely in many cases they will lose less when they don't kick the current occupants to the curb?

Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 06, 2012, 07:29:33 PM
Yes.  Individual bankruptcies in the US amost always involve forgiveness of loans.  that has been so for many years now.

A number of people have been advocating changes to the bankruptcy laws so that home mortgages can be packed down.  As things stand they can't, for the simple reason that the home covered by that mortgage is a protected asset in bankruptcy.

Now if Warren is not among those advocating this change, I stand corrected.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Sheilbh on February 06, 2012, 09:34:56 PM
I think this is like what Obama proposed based on the ideas of one of Romney's economic advisors.  Basically his argument is that the extremely low interest rates haven't had as much effect as they should because of the amount of people with negative equity.  They can't take advantage of the lower interest rates and that's holding the economy back.  The policy is some way of allowing people who are paying their mortgages to refinance at current, lower, interest rates.  It seems an interesting idea to me, but it's not from Warren.

What Obama proposed recently is that people with underwater loans (who are current on their payments) be made eligible for low interest FHA loans.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: DGuller on February 06, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
Loan forgiveness isn't that new of an idea in general.  One thing that always puzzled me is why banks are so adamnant about foreclosing and kicking people out.  Yes, they're the creditors, and they get the whole house after a default.  Why won't they renegotiate with the current owners rather than let the house that they now own rot or go at fire-sale prices?  They're losing money either way, surely in many cases they will lose less when they don't kick the current occupants to the curb?

Moral hazard.  :P

Borrowers who are not in default would ask for the same deal, and if foregiveness were made obligatory it would create a perverse incentive for borrowers to default and lower their principal amounts.


Admiral Yi

If I'm not mistaken, Minnesooooota is holding a non-binding straw poll.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 07, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
A number of people have been advocating changes to the bankruptcy laws so that home mortgages can be packed down.

Haven't heard of this.
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citizen k

Tonight's Santorum's night.  :outback: :pope: :osama:


Sheilbh

Let's bomb Russia!

Eddie Teach

   State   Gingrich   Paul   Romney   Santorum         reporting
02/07   MO   -   12.0%   25.3%   55.3%         89%
02/07   MN   10.7%   27.1%   16.5%   45.4%         47%
02/07   CO   21.4%   9.8%   18.9%   49.6%         7%

Dang.
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Darth Wagtaros

This is awesome. We could see a real convention floor fight. 
PDH!

Neil

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jimmy olsen

I'm surprised that Santorum's made a comeback.
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Razgovory

Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 07, 2012, 11:13:03 PM
I'm surprised that Santorum's made a comeback.

I know he hasn't actually gained anything in Missouri.  I wonder if any of the other state's elections had some meaning.
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