Any way for the Germans to win the Eastern front?

[jimmy olsen]

Aside from being unrealistically nice to the Soviet population (we are talking about Nazis here), was there anything they could have done to win the war? My impression is no, but there a many people here who know more about the situation than I.

[Ideologue]

Making peace with Britain in early 1941.

[Tamas]

Only by sucking up to the Ukrainians I guess, but as you said, the nazis were, well, nazis. The German's drive was their idea of supremacy, they had no patience for the untermensch. Look at WW1 occupation in Belgium for a prime example.

[Admiral Yi]

Roll more sixes.

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[Grey Fox]

Taking Moscow on the first try would have helped.

[Ideologue]

Only by sucking up to the Ukrainians I guess, but as you said, the nazis were, well, nazis. The German's drive was their idea of supremacy, they had no patience for the untermensch. Look at WW1 occupation in Belgium for a prime example.

I thought they were very patient with Hungary.

[Tamas]

Only by sucking up to the Ukrainians I guess, but as you said, the nazis were, well, nazis. The German's drive was their idea of supremacy, they had no patience for the untermensch. Look at WW1 occupation in Belgium for a prime example.

I thought they were very patient with Hungary.

yeah, until we kept sucking their dicks. But then Horthy didn't want to swallow so they moved in. Luckily for them, our army was full of nazis as well so we kept fighting on their side.

[Valmy]

Taking Moscow on the first try would have helped.

Yep.  Might not have won the war but certainly would not have hurt.

[jimmy olsen]

Taking Moscow on the first try would have helped.

Yep.  Might not have won the war but certainly would not have hurt.

Ok, but how do they do that? Weren't they basically forced to halt their central thrust towards Moscow because of logistical constraints? The turn south turned out pretty well for them didn't it?

[Valmy]

Ok, but how do they do that? Weren't they basically forced to halt their central thrust towards Moscow because of logistical constraints? The turn south turned out pretty well for them didn't it?

I was not aware it was because of logistical constraints, but strategic ones.  And all it may have taken is having their army equipt for winter action.

[Josquius]

Better coats.

[Valmy]

Better coats.

Maybe some anti-freeze.

For an army renown for its management of the details they sure wiffed on that one.

[The Larch]

Ok, but how do they do that? Weren't they basically forced to halt their central thrust towards Moscow because of logistical constraints? The turn south turned out pretty well for them didn't it?

I was not aware it was because of logistical constraints, but strategic ones.  And all it may have taken is having their army equipt for winter action.

Or invading earlier. If Germany started the invasion even a few weeks earlier, they could have arrived much closer to Moscow before the autumn rains started. The original invasion date was in may, IIRC, and it was delayed because of the Balkans campaign. Also, once the invasion began the army group aiming for Moscow was at some point diverted southwards to support the campaign in Ukraine, which delayed their advance towards Moscow.

Also, the nazis had no problem justifying the cuddling of slavic populations when it suited their needs, so they could have done the same in Ukraine if they wanted.

[Mr.Penguin]

Making peace with Britain in early 1941.

And start the attack in early may as original planned. Il Duce just have to learn how deal with the Greeks the hard way...