Save Europe Day

[Grey Fox]

That's because it is. It's all the fault of Lobbying.

No private Enterprise = No lobbying.

Right, right?

[Iormlund]

There would be only one downside to the UK leaving the EU, as far as I am concerned: they would probably roll back English as one of the three core languages of the EU. Other than that, I say get ouf, limeys.

I can't wait for all the stupid expats in Poland to be deported. 

Nah. Nobody is going to learn French no matter what scheme our neighbors to the north concoct.

[Valmy]

There would be only one downside to the UK leaving the EU, as far as I am concerned: they would probably roll back English as one of the three core languages of the EU. Other than that, I say get ouf, limeys.

I can't wait for all the stupid expats in Poland to be deported. 

What?  Ireland is not good enough to wave the Anglophone banner on their own?

[Zanza]

Merkel and Sarkozy speak English with eachother.

[Valmy]

check your sarcasm meter, he is not agreeing with that

But he is right, in leftist Europe (ie. almost all of Europe) this crisis is the clear failure of the free market. Which is funny and infuriating at the same time.

I know I was asking about the mentality he was mocking.

[alfred russel]

I haven't been following the blow by blow too closely, but how did a southern eurozone crisis suddenly result in an emergency EU summit with a plan to balance everyone's budget? a) I don't see a reason for involvement of countries that have their own currency, and b) it doesn't seem a solution for anyone.

[Iormlund]

IIRC all EU members but 2 (one of the the UK) are supposed to one day enter the EZ, so it was logical to have the process take the form of a EU wide treaty. I think that was the way Merkel wanted it as well. Sarkozy wanted a two-tiered approach. He's got it now.

Also, the crisis has gone way past the PIIGS now. Belgium, France and Austria are under pressure already.

[Zanza]

I haven't been following the blow by blow too closely, but how did a southern eurozone crisis suddenly result in an emergency EU summit with a plan to balance everyone's budget? a) I don't see a reason for involvement of countries that have their own currency, and b) it doesn't seem a solution for anyone.

a) is because the non-Eurozone countries want to be able to take part in decisions and because Germany has an interest to get the Scandies and Poland on board

[Admiral Yi]

No private Enterprise = No lobbying.

Right, right?

No government spending = no lobbying.

The US Post Office is lobbying like a motherfucker right now.

[alfred russel]

IIRC all EU members but 2 (one of the the UK) are supposed to one day enter the EZ, so it was logical to have the process take the form of a EU wide treaty. I think that was the way Merkel wanted it as well. Sarkozy wanted a two-tiered approach. He's got it now.

Also, the crisis has gone way past the PIIGS now. Belgium, France and Austria are under pressure already.

It makes little sense to me. Why go for an agreement of 27 when all you need now is an agreement of 17?

Certainly the past few years haven't been a strong advertisement for the euro.

[Iormlund]

Apparently, because you are afraid of being outvoted by France and the PIGS and would prefer to have the Scandies and other non-EZ countries to balance them. It is true that Germany (or Merkel at least) seems to have created a lot of bad will lately within the EZ.

[Tamas]

Apparently, because you are afraid of being outvoted by France and the PIGS and would prefer to have the Scandies and other non-EZ countries to balance them. It is true that Germany (or Merkel at least) seems to have created a lot of bad will lately within the EZ.

The Germans? Pissing off other Europeans? No way.

[Warspite]

There would be only one downside to the UK leaving the EU

A bizarre statement, given that you claim to be a free-market liberal.

Who, apart from the UK, is another EU member state of significance trying to stand against a protectionist vision of the common market?

[Tamas]

There would be only one downside to the UK leaving the EU

A bizarre statement, given that you claim to be a free-market liberal.

Who, apart from the UK, is another EU member state of significance trying to stand against a protectionist vision of the common market?

Marty is a socio-liberal nowadays. He craves Big State like he craves Big Toes

[Iormlund]

There would be only one downside to the UK leaving the EU

A bizarre statement, given that you claim to be a free-market liberal.

Who, apart from the UK, is another EU member state of significance trying to stand against a protectionist vision of the common market?

Are we talking about the same UK whose only objective today was to protect the City? Is that the standard-bearer against protectionism?