Who will be the Republican Nominee for President (post Cain)

[Eddie Teach]

He disabled the like/dislike function on his official video, so people re-hosted the video so that they could dislike it.

Anyone who hated his video that much wasn't going to vote for him anyway.

[grumbler]

The primary documents show that the person who wrote the content of those documents was a racist. The nasty, old-school kind, too.

Two questions I have - not for Raz, necessarily, but for the group: do we know the circulation of this newsletter? and are these particular ones different in tone from the content of the newsletter in previous years?

These were not Ron Paul's congressional newsletter.  They were a series of newsletters published by various organizations with which Ron Paul was associated. 

Here's the original article from The New Republic: http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

In it, Kirchick notes that "[t]he Freedom Report claimed to have over 100,000 readers in 1984."  He also notes that "[Christopher] Caldwell, writing in the Times Magazine last year, said he found Paul's explanation believable, "since the style diverges widely from his own.""  Caldwell is a Paul supporter, though, so that doesn't necessarily mean much.  Kirchick concludes that "What [the newsletters] reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics."  Clearly not a fan, but his conclusions seem to be in line with those of others who have seen the actual newsletter.

[Berkut]

Can we just agree that Ron Paul is not going to be the Republican Presidential nominee and move along?

[Eddie Teach]

I think it's time to close this poll and have a run-off between Romney and McMillan.

[DGuller]

Can we just agree that Ron Paul is not going to be the Republican Presidential nominee and move along?

He can still win it, if he can manage to overcome the media blackout, and have the majority of voters find out about him and his ideas.

[grumbler]

Can we just agree that Ron Paul is not going to be the Republican Presidential nominee and move along?

I think the issue of just who Ron Paul is is more than a bit interesting.  Some people find it hard to debate the topic rationally, but I think the topic can be debated rationally if everyone simply ignores Raz's "contributions."

[Berkut]

Can we just agree that Ron Paul is not going to be the Republican Presidential nominee and move along?

I think the issue of just who Ron Paul is is more than a bit interesting.  Some people find it hard to debate the topic rationally, but I think the topic can be debated rationally if everyone simply ignores Raz's "contributions."

Nah, the only reason it has legs is that the Dems love the idea of Paul being a legitimate voice of the Republican Party. Most of the discussion is driven by that, I suspect.

And by "Paul" I mean this carcicature of Paul that includes everything as nutty and crazy about him as possible, no matter what the reality might actually entail.

[Razgovory]

Can we just agree that Ron Paul is not going to be the Republican Presidential nominee and move along?

I think the issue of just who Ron Paul is is more than a bit interesting.  Some people find it hard to debate the topic rationally, but I think the topic can be debated rationally if everyone simply ignores Raz's "contributions."

Please stop trolling.

[DGuller]

Nah, the only reason it has legs is that the Dems love the idea of Paul being a legitimate voice of the Republican Party. Most of the discussion is driven by that, I suspect.

And by "Paul" I mean this carcicature of Paul that includes everything as nutty and crazy about him as possible, no matter what the reality might actually entail.

I couldn't disagree more.  I think everyone recognizes that Paul is his own nut.  I don't think anyone attributes Paul's view to a Republican party, except in rare cases where Republican party adopts some of his views.  You can have separate contempt for Republicans in their current iteration, and hardcore libertarians who take reasonable fundamental assumptions and develop them to the idiotic conclusions.

[Fate]

Can we just agree that Ron Paul is not going to be the Republican Presidential nominee and move along?

I think the issue of just who Ron Paul is is more than a bit interesting.  Some people find it hard to debate the topic rationally, but I think the topic can be debated rationally if everyone simply ignores Raz's "contributions."

Please stop trolling.

It's grumbler...

[KRonn]

I look at Ron Paul similar to Dennis Kucinich. They're not going to be Presidential contenders, but they do have some good ideas, along with the off the wall ideas. But they both stick to their ideas, support their views, and with little flip flopping around. So I can respect that I know where they stand on things, and that they are consistent on their views and stances on issues.

[garbon]

I look at Ron Paul similar to Dennis Kucinich. They're not going to be Presidential contenders, but they do have some good ideas, along with the off the wall ideas. But they both stick to their ideas, support their views, and with little flip flopping around. So I can respect that I know where they stand on things, and that they are consistent on their views and stances on issues.

I'm not sure I admire consistency. Especially not when the consistently held ideas are bad.

[Razgovory]

I look at Ron Paul similar to Dennis Kucinich. They're not going to be Presidential contenders, but they do have some good ideas, along with the off the wall ideas. But they both stick to their ideas, support their views, and with little flip flopping around. So I can respect that I know where they stand on things, and that they are consistent on their views and stances on issues.

What good ideas is Ron Paul bring to the table?

[Razgovory]

Can we just agree that Ron Paul is not going to be the Republican Presidential nominee and move along?

I think the issue of just who Ron Paul is is more than a bit interesting.  Some people find it hard to debate the topic rationally, but I think the topic can be debated rationally if everyone simply ignores Raz's "contributions."

Please stop trolling.

It's grumbler...

Yes, I know, but I do grow tired of his drive by shitting.

[Neil]

What good ideas does Ron Paul have?  Is it the gold standard?