Language Police to Force Children to Speak French During Recess

[Valmy]

Ide, what's with all the posting in French lately?  Francais est la langue des homosexuelles.

Homosexuelles?  So it is the language of Lesbians eh?

[viper37]

Marti does that and I don't think we care.

that would explain the Back Alley, I suppose...

[viper37]

It is most revealing that you think speaking a language different then french is similar to drawing a nazi symbol in their books.  If we are to be serious perhaps you could do better than try to explain away a clear infringement of legitimate expressive rights by a tyranny of the majority argument.

you're arguing freedom of speech in schools.  There's no such things in schools.  I can draw all the nazi symbols I want in my books at home, I could not do that at school.  I can say "fuck you" at anyone I want, but not in school.  Your kid could dress however he wants at home, in the streets, without fear of retribution.  He can't do that in school.

So, I stand by my point, no freedom of speech in schools.  And while I do not know about BC schools, I do know the rules are very similar in Ontario, even if my exchange was very short.

[Barrister]

It is most revealing that you think speaking a language different then french is similar to drawing a nazi symbol in their books.  If we are to be serious perhaps you could do better than try to explain away a clear infringement of legitimate expressive rights by a tyranny of the majority argument.

you're arguing freedom of speech in schools.  There's no such things in schools.  I can draw all the nazi symbols I want in my books at home, I could not do that at school.  I can say "fuck you" at anyone I want, but not in school.  Your kid could dress however he wants at home, in the streets, without fear of retribution.  He can't do that in school.

So, I stand by my point, no freedom of speech in schools.  And while I do not know about BC schools, I do know the rules are very similar in Ontario, even if my exchange was very short.

I wouldn't say "there's no such thing as freedom of speech at schools".  There are limits put on freedom of speech, but it is still a constitutionally protected right, and schools are still governmental institutions.  Any number of rights have been found to exist within a school, including freedom of speech.

[garbon]

It is most revealing that you think speaking a language different then french is similar to drawing a nazi symbol in their books.  If we are to be serious perhaps you could do better than try to explain away a clear infringement of legitimate expressive rights by a tyranny of the majority argument.

you're arguing freedom of speech in schools.  There's no such things in schools.  I can draw all the nazi symbols I want in my books at home, I could not do that at school.  I can say "fuck you" at anyone I want, but not in school.  Your kid could dress however he wants at home, in the streets, without fear of retribution.  He can't do that in school.

So, I stand by my point, no freedom of speech in schools.  And while I do not know about BC schools, I do know the rules are very similar in Ontario, even if my exchange was very short.

I think CC's comment still stands. Not sure why you quoted it if you weren't actually going to address what he said.

[viper37]

With the discussion, or with Oex maybe leaving, or with French Canadian teachers hitting students in the back if they are heard speaking something other than French during their free time?

had England lots the 1812 war, maybe Quebec would have become some Texas of the North.  But since it's not the case, there's no hitting students here.

[viper37]

Ide, what's with all the posting in French lately?  Francais est la langue des homosexuelles.

French as a lesbian language?  Could be hot, you know.

[Valmy]

had England lots the 1812 war, maybe Quebec would have become some Texas of the North.  But since it's not the case, there's no hitting students here.

England?  Did the rest of Great Britain take the war off?

[viper37]

The point is that the *allegation it is a challenge to rights is not something invented by the RoC*. As the article itself states, it is something that originates in *Quebec*. The controversy is a *within Quebec* controversy. 

The controversy comes from Julius Gray, who isn't Québécois, and by no means would define himself as such, and at most would acknowledge "to live in Quebec".

[viper37]

had England lots the 1812 war, maybe Quebec would have become some Texas of the North.  But since it's not the case, there's no hitting students here.

England?  Did the rest of Great Britain take the war off?

It's all the same to me.

[Barrister]

With the discussion, or with Oex maybe leaving, or with French Canadian teachers hitting students in the back if they are heard speaking something other than French during their free time?

had England lots the 1812 war, maybe Quebec would have become some Texas of the North.  But since it's not the case, there's no hitting students here.

WTF???

[viper37]

I wouldn't say "there's no such thing as freedom of speech at schools".  There are limits put on freedom of speech, but it is still a constitutionally protected right, and schools are still governmental institutions.  Any number of rights have been found to exist within a school, including freedom of speech.

ok, then, let's say "severly limited freedom of speech".  There's no way I could tell a teacher "fuck you mon ostie" back in school without having serious troubles.

[viper37]

With the discussion, or with Oex maybe leaving, or with French Canadian teachers hitting students in the back if they are heard speaking something other than French during their free time?

had England lots the 1812 war, maybe Quebec would have become some Texas of the North.  But since it's not the case, there's no hitting students here.

WTF???

There's no corporal beatings in Quebec, unlike Texas and other southern US states.
Had Canada been conquered in 1812, history would certainly have evolved in a different way, I tought that was a given.

[viper37]

I think CC's comment still stands. Not sure why you quoted it if you weren't actually going to address what he said.

I'm not equating anything, I'm not arguing speaking english is the same as drawing nazi symbols.  I'm just saying freedom of speech in the civil society is not the same as it is in school.

Ask Grumbler if you don't believe me, he's a teacher.  What happens to a student insulting a teacher?  What happens if a neighbor insults Grumbler?  Two different things.

I have the right to write nazi symbols at home, I don't have that right in school.  Two different things.

[Valmy]

had England lots the 1812 war, maybe Quebec would have become some Texas of the North.  But since it's not the case, there's no hitting students here.

England?  Did the rest of Great Britain take the war off?

It's all the same to me.

Heh that does sound like something a Texan would say.