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Started by jimmy olsen, November 21, 2011, 09:22:02 AM

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Jacob

#30
November 21, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 21, 2011, 03:11:12 PMI never thought it would come to this but my son was playing some dub-step "music".  He asked me what I thought.  I told him in the voice of my father - "That is not music"

:lol:

garbon

#31
November 21, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 21, 2011, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 21, 2011, 03:09:13 PM
The music was way better.

I never thought it would come to this but my son was playing some dub-step "music".  He asked me what I thought.  I told him in the voice of my father - "That is not music"

:)
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Admiral Yi

#32
November 21, 2011, 04:24:47 PM
QuoteAt the White House, officials made a final effort to spur the committee on to a conclusion. "Avoiding accountability and kicking the can down the road is how Washington got into this deficit problem in the first place," a White House spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said in a statement. "So Congress needs to do its job here and make the kind of tough choices to live within its means that American families make every day."

:lol: Chutzpah.

Faeelin

#33
November 21, 2011, 06:55:10 PM
How is this chutzpah? Obama made a significant, serious proposal which the GOP walked away from, and supported the formation of a Super Committee.

Now we find out that the GOP yet again refuses to agree to any tax increases, but their initial agreement to put defense cuts on the table was a joke.

Berkut

#34
November 21, 2011, 07:02:00 PM
I think the Republicans are pretty much screwed, and screwing the rest of us in the bargain.

The perception is that they CANNOT actually make a deal. Any deal is going to involve tax increases along with spending cuts. I think the fear is that even if the deal is as reasonable as the Republicans can possibly hope, they will get lynched by the Grover wing if they make it.

So they are making a lot of noise about making deals, but cannot actually come through. The Dems should rape them over this, but will likely screw it up instead.
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Razgovory

#35
November 21, 2011, 07:04:26 PM
I'm not sure if the GOP actually wants things to get better.  They are more concerned with beating Obama then anything else.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

MadImmortalMan

#36
November 21, 2011, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 21, 2011, 07:02:00 PM
I think the Republicans are pretty much screwed, and screwing the rest of us in the bargain.

The perception is that they CANNOT actually make a deal. Any deal is going to involve tax increases along with spending cuts. I think the fear is that even if the deal is as reasonable as the Republicans can possibly hope, they will get lynched by the Grover wing if they make it.

So they are making a lot of noise about making deals, but cannot actually come through. The Dems should rape them over this, but will likely screw it up instead.

You mean like when they had complete control over everything and managed to squander the opportunity? It's been three years since we passed a budget, and the deficit could have been fixed then. Instead, they just kept spending even more without new revenue. A lot more. So, it is a bit silly to have the White House scolding the Congress now, but it's obvious why they have to do it. Rules of the game.


Honestly, we're to the point where everyone is working under the assumption that compromising will cause them to lose their job and the only way to stay in place is to show they stood up to the other guy and held their ground. While Congress has a huge incentive to fix it, every individual congressperson has a bigger disincentive to do so.
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Admiral Yi

#37
November 21, 2011, 07:29:21 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on November 21, 2011, 06:55:10 PM
How is this chutzpah? Obama made a significant, serious proposal which the GOP walked away from, and supported the formation of a Super Committee.

I could swear we've had this exact conversation about four times already.

Razgovory

#38
November 21, 2011, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 21, 2011, 07:29:21 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on November 21, 2011, 06:55:10 PM
How is this chutzpah? Obama made a significant, serious proposal which the GOP walked away from, and supported the formation of a Super Committee.

I could swear we've had this exact conversation about four times already.

Yeah, but you never learn.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#40
November 21, 2011, 07:39:24 PM
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Neil

#41
November 21, 2011, 07:40:21 PM
If they can't manage to cut an insignificant drop in the bucket, there's no chance they'll actually be able to balance the budget ever again.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Darth Wagtaros

#42
November 21, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
PDH!

Razgovory

#44
November 21, 2011, 07:47:07 PM
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017
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