Penn State Goings-On

[The Brain]

I've developed a callus btw.

[Neil]

And to excuse the child rapist, but blame the witness just causes me to shake my head.

Let me be clear: I am not excusing the child rapist. As I've stated, he is beyond comtempt and should be anally raped every day for the rest of his life.

I think you're overstating matters a bit.  I mean, he did something bad, but it's not like he killed anybody.

[Barrister]

Funny - I think Sandusky should be jailed for the rest of his life.  I don't know why you'd make the leap to him being raped. 

Eye for an eye and all that.

And maybe I'm okay with 'doing nothing' because I see it all the time.  It is the exceptional person who speaks out in such circumstances, not the ordinary.  Very few people talk about domestic violence, drug abuse, sexual abuse, petty thefts, wyou name it - when it is conducted by someone you know or are related to.

I'm glad that that is a callous I have not developed because I would be afraid that it would make it easier for me to walk away, something I cannot do easily.

"an eye for an eye" is not something we practice in the West though.

How is that being callous on my part?  I'm just telling you whatI've experienced through 7 1/2 years of prosecuting.

[alfred russel]

And to excuse the child rapist, but blame the witness just causes me to shake my head.

I'm not excusing the child rapist in any way shape or form. I think Malthus said it best. I think I can see where McQuery is coming from, and I find his actions deplorable. Obviously child rape is deplorable, but I find it much harder to understand Sandusky's actions.

Assuming of course all the allegations are true, and McQuery never went to the cops.

[garbon]

What about the possibility that he simply decided to stop snitchin'?  

I don't see how that has any relevance.

[grumbler]

No, it takes a lot of humanity. It takes thinking of how many other kids could be going through what that boy - that he saw - went through. I'm sorry, but I have little sympathy for him. I hope he feels badly. I hope he feels immense guilt. He deserves to.

That's not humanity.  That's maudlin.

Meri is a moron and I hope we hear of her suicide very soon now.

[Jacob]

I'm glad that that is a callous I have not developed because I would be afraid that it would make it easier for me to walk away, something I cannot do easily.

I'm curious, what's the most high-stakes situation where you've done the morally correct thing in the face of power structures and authority figures saying it's alright not to?

[Razgovory]

No, it takes a lot of humanity. It takes thinking of how many other kids could be going through what that boy - that he saw - went through. I'm sorry, but I have little sympathy for him. I hope he feels badly. I hope he feels immense guilt. He deserves to.

That's not humanity.  That's maudlin.

Meri is a moron and I hope we hear of her suicide very soon now.

Uh, okay.

[grumbler]

I agree with Meri on this. Sandusky I can at least rationalize as someone who has something wrong in his head. Assuming he didn't call the cops, McQuery seems to have acted either with extreme cowardice or indifference to abuse he knew was occuring.

You didn't report it either, and I know you knew about it.








Not really, but I can as easily make up facts as you can.

McQueary did something.  He reported the incident to the people he believed he should (and was advised to) report to.

Now, it is easy and cheap for people to claim that he should have known that nothing was happening and gone to the police, but that, as far as I can see, is just a rationalization made by people who want to hate, and are too cowardly to reject the temptation to hate.  In fact, McQueary didn't know that the abuse was continuing, didn't know that the investigation of Sandusky was scuttled, and didn't know that no real cops knew about what he had reported to a guy in charge of the cops.

In a perfect world, McQueary would have set some deadline for the arrest of Sandusky, after which he would have gone to some different police and tried again to get someone to investigate what he saw.  In that perfect world, though Sandusky wouldn't have existed, so the point is moot.

[garbon]

I agree with Meri on this. Sandusky I can at least rationalize as someone who has something wrong in his head. Assuming he didn't call the cops, McQuery seems to have acted either with extreme cowardice or indifference to abuse he knew was occuring.

You didn't report it either, and I know you knew about it.








Not really, but I can as easily make up facts as you can.

McQueary did something.  He reported the incident to the people he believed he should (and was advised to) report to.

Now, it is easy and cheap for people to claim that he should have known that nothing was happening and gone to the police, but that, as far as I can see, is just a rationalization made by people who want to hate, and are too cowardly to reject the temptation to hate.  In fact, McQueary didn't know that the abuse was continuing, didn't know that the investigation of Sandusky was scuttled, and didn't know that no real cops knew about what he had reported to a guy in charge of the cops.

In a perfect world, McQueary would have set some deadline for the arrest of Sandusky, after which he would have gone to some different police and tried again to get someone to investigate what he saw.  In that perfect world, though Sandusky wouldn't have existed, so the point is moot.

Wouldn't he know nothing (of any note) had happened as Sandusky wasn't put away and kept being seen on campus?

[The Minsky Moment]

McQ's best defense is that he thought his bosses would do the investigating and reporting ... but at some point he had to be aware that the only action they took was to take away his shower key, and "report" to the charity (who in turn did nothing).

Sure it is understandable why he didn't report - presumably he didn't want to rock the boat because it could cost him his job or even get him blacklisted. Anyone can understand that, but to understand is not to condone. It isn't very admirable to allow a rapist to walk free to rape again just because you are worried about your career prospects.

It may be more than that though.  He may have concluded with some good reason that further action would be futile and only place himself in danger, including danger more serious than a mere firing.  Keep in mind that he has received death threats for his role in providing evidence against Sandusky.

[Malthus]

McQ's best defense is that he thought his bosses would do the investigating and reporting ... but at some point he had to be aware that the only action they took was to take away his shower key, and "report" to the charity (who in turn did nothing).

Sure it is understandable why he didn't report - presumably he didn't want to rock the boat because it could cost him his job or even get him blacklisted. Anyone can understand that, but to understand is not to condone. It isn't very admirable to allow a rapist to walk free to rape again just because you are worried about your career prospects.

It may be more than that though.  He may have concluded with some good reason that further action would be futile and only place himself in danger, including danger more serious than a mere firing.  Keep in mind that he has received death threats for his role in providing evidence against Sandusky.

I dunno, is he getting death threats for 'squealing' on Sandusky - or, as here in this thread, for allegedly helping to 'keep it in the coaching family' until the grand jury?

[Jacob]

I dunno, is he getting death threats for 'squealing' on Sandusky - or, as here in this thread, for allegedly helping to 'keep it in the coaching family' until the grand jury?

Or both?

[merithyn]

I'm curious, what's the most high-stakes situation where you've done the morally correct thing in the face of power structures and authority figures saying it's alright not to?

I have called the police on a friend for abusing her son and daughter, for neglect, and for being a drug addict. I didn't risk losing my job, but I did risk losing a friend and all those who felt that I was wrong to interfere. I knew that her son would be put back into the system, something he deplored as he'd been there before, but it was the best option under the circumstances.

When the smoke cleared, my friend thanked me, the boy was angry with me, and everyone else melted into the woodwork. I don't feel proud for having done this; it still saddens me that it had to be done. But it did have to be done and no one else was doing it.

[Malthus]

I dunno, is he getting death threats for 'squealing' on Sandusky - or, as here in this thread, for allegedly helping to 'keep it in the coaching family' until the grand jury?

Or both?

Well, then there's a fine calculation in cowardice. Which will get him the most trouble in the form of hatred and abuse - reporting, or not reporting?