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Started by jimmy olsen, November 08, 2011, 06:25:33 PM

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Ideologue

#45
November 08, 2011, 11:13:35 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 08, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
If he does I imagine Britain'll join in.

You guys really are good friends.  This is why I never have anything bad to say about the United Kingdom.
Kinemalogue
Current reviews: The 'Burbs (9/10); Gremlins 2: The New Batch (9/10); John Wick: Chapter 2 (9/10); A Cure For Wellness (4/10)

Neil

#46
November 08, 2011, 11:56:12 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 08, 2011, 11:13:35 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 08, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
If he does I imagine Britain'll join in.

You guys really are good friends.  This is why I never have anything bad to say about the United Kingdom.
What about the police state?  I figure you must oppose that.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Josquius

#47
November 09, 2011, 12:07:46 AM
Something tells me Ahmajiathingy is really looking forward to the American-British-Israeli attack and the nationalist frenzy he'll be able to whip up over it: gotta love the Iranians and their living in the past, still seeing Britain as a key big bad!

Of course, if we don't do this then they'll get the bomb which would also be bad.
Ack.
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Razgovory

#48
November 09, 2011, 12:33:08 AM
I think the uncovering of the plot against the Saudi ambassador in the US demonstrates that Iran really shouldn't have a nuke.  I'm not sure how effective air strikes will be though.  They can always rebuild.  Of course we can always rebomb, but I'm not sure we can keep it up indefinably.  Of course, if we do launch an airstrike you can bet the Iranians will retaliate.  Probably blow up an airliner or something.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ideologue

#49
November 09, 2011, 12:50:56 AM
Quote from: Neil on November 08, 2011, 11:56:12 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 08, 2011, 11:13:35 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 08, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
If he does I imagine Britain'll join in.

You guys really are good friends.  This is why I never have anything bad to say about the United Kingdom.
What about the police state?  I figure you must oppose that.

I dunno.  Do you mean the CCTVs everywhere?  On one hand, it's off-putting, but on the other, an absolute right to privacy--in the narrow sense of being able to keep activities absolutely secret, as opposed to a right to be free of unwarranted physical harassment by the state or private actors--really only makes a great deal of sense if one is implicitly assuming that the state has enacted a great many laws which have no real moral force and can be justifiably broken, so long as they do not interfere with the wider public sphere.  A surveillance society doesn't bother me, but a proper police state would.  Can't speak entirely knowledgeably on how things are in the U.K. on that front.
Kinemalogue
Current reviews: The 'Burbs (9/10); Gremlins 2: The New Batch (9/10); John Wick: Chapter 2 (9/10); A Cure For Wellness (4/10)

dps

#50
November 09, 2011, 01:16:50 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 08, 2011, 08:25:29 PM
Gotcha.

According to Sheilbh's standards, you are now a journalist.

Martinus

#51
November 09, 2011, 06:00:16 AM
Actually, a decision to bomb Iran would be 100% in Obama's interest and he has a classic motive for a war: trouble at home and reelection vote next year.

Camerus

#52
November 09, 2011, 06:30:27 AM
Colour me isolationist, but I am skeptical about yet another middle east engagement for the US. 



In the words of Homer Simpson, "can't someone else do it?"

Razgovory

#53
November 09, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 09, 2011, 06:00:16 AM
Actually, a decision to bomb Iran would be 100% in Obama's interest and he has a classic motive for a war: trouble at home and reelection vote next year.

Unless the Iranians retaliate with a terrorist bombing in the US.  Then Obama is quickly defeated in an election.  The Iranians have already caused the defeat of one Democrat, they could do it again.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Siege

#54
November 14, 2011, 12:50:55 AM


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"

grumbler

#55
November 15, 2011, 07:52:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 09, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
Unless the Iranians retaliate with a terrorist bombing in the US.  Then Obama is quickly defeated in an election.

Agreed.  Dubya would have been a two-term president if it hadn't been for the terrorist bombing in the US.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Martinus

#56
November 15, 2011, 08:13:48 AM
Quote from: grumbler on November 15, 2011, 07:52:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 09, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
Unless the Iranians retaliate with a terrorist bombing in the US.  Then Obama is quickly defeated in an election.

Agreed.  Dubya would have been a two-term president if it hadn't been for the terrorist bombing in the US.
:lol:

Martinus

#57
November 15, 2011, 08:14:55 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 09, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 09, 2011, 06:00:16 AM
Actually, a decision to bomb Iran would be 100% in Obama's interest and he has a classic motive for a war: trouble at home and reelection vote next year.

Unless the Iranians retaliate with a terrorist bombing in the US.  Then Obama is quickly defeated in an election.  The Iranians have already caused the defeat of one Democrat, they could do it again.

Yeah. Pearl Harbor. 911. We all know Americans fold like a house of cards if their territory is hit by an attack.

Razgovory

#58
November 15, 2011, 08:35:56 AM
Different situation.  A successful terrorist attack on Obama's watch would seem like vindication of Republican policies.  Bush kept us safe (as he was always so fond of saying), and wishy-washy Obama let the terrorists hit again. It may not make sense, but that's how it would play out politically.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

#59
November 15, 2011, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 08:35:56 AM
Different situation.  A successful terrorist attack on Obama's watch would seem like vindication of Republican policies.  Bush kept us safe (as he was always so fond of saying), and wishy-washy Obama let the terrorists hit again. It may not make sense, but that's how it would play out politically.
Agreed.  I just don't see Republican voters getting behind Obama the way Democratic voters got behind Bush.  Some people just strike me as much more willing to put politics aside for the sake of the country than others, and this willingness is not equally distributed on the political spectrum.  I think Bush got the 9/11 bump because he was a Republican, and because he wasn't in the office long.
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