American Gun Ownership Highest In 18 Years

[derspiess]

Is there any firearms regulation that NRA-ILA supports?

Yeah.  Most of the existing regulations.

Is there any evidence of that?  Testimony, fact sheets, press releases?  Anything?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/23/nra-chief-enforce-the-existing-gun-laws/?page=all

The National Rifle Association does not plan to support any new gun control measures in the wake of the shooting rampage in Newtown, Conn., the head of the organization said Sunday, arguing that the government should vigorously enforce laws already on the books and reiterating the group's push for more armed guards in schools as part of the solution.

If they're pushing for current laws to be vigorously enforced, I take that to mean they support them.

[Ed Anger]

This was such a fun thread. 

[derspiess]

This was such a fun thread. 

I could post pics of the Russian .223 ammo I picked up at AIM yesterday.  Is good quality Russian commercial sporting cartridge.

[Ed Anger]

This was such a fun thread. 

I could post pics of the Russian .223 ammo I picked up at AIM yesterday.  Is good quality Russian commercial sporting cartridge.

Only if those are age appropriate.

[merithyn]

Yes, we had the same issue in Missouri.  States don't actually don't have rights as they aren't people.  They also can't nullify federal law.

It's just a figure of speech.  I know it's Languish, but you guys get too hung up on semantics sometimes.  States don't technically have "rights", but they have powers, per the 10th amendment.

Okay, setting aside semantics, how can you say that NRA members aren't trying to negate laws already in place while they are doing exactly that at the state level?

I'm not aware of any NRA efforts in those state-level nullification examples (which I believe are pretty much symbolic measures in any case), nor do I think a majority of NRA members are pushing for them.

If some people who happen to be NRA members sponsored the measures, that doesn't necessarily prove me wrong.

This strikes me as semantics. We're discussing gun-supporters, some in the guise of the NRA. You implied - if not said - that gun-supporters are okay with the laws on the books. There are now pushes in various states that say otherwise.

Do you honestly believe that most gun supporters are okay with the gun laws on the books? Because the impression given is that most gun supporters disagree rather vehemently with most, if not all, of the gun laws already in place.

[Malthus]

This was such a fun thread. 

I could post pics of the Russian .223 ammo I picked up at AIM yesterday.  Is good quality Russian commercial sporting cartridge.

Only if those are age appropriate.

I guess that rules out his My Little Pony rounds.

[derspiess]

This strikes me as semantics. We're discussing gun-supporters, some in the guise of the NRA. You implied - if not said - that gun-supporters are okay with the laws on the books. There are now pushes in various states that say otherwise.

Just sticking by what I said, dear.

Do you honestly believe that most gun supporters are okay with the gun laws on the books? Because the impression given is that most gun supporters disagree rather vehemently with most, if not all, of the gun laws already in place.

That's not my impression.

[merithyn]

Just sticking by what I said, dear.

No prob, boy. I get what you're saying.

That's not my impression.

Gotcha', nancy.  Thanks.

[The Minsky Moment]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/23/nra-chief-enforce-the-existing-gun-laws/?page=all

The National Rifle Association does not plan to support any new gun control measures in the wake of the shooting rampage in Newtown, Conn., the head of the organization said Sunday, arguing that the government should vigorously enforce laws already on the books and reiterating the group's push for more armed guards in schools as part of the solution.

That's what the Washington Times said that LaPierre said.
Problem is -- it's not in the transcript.  LaPierre didn't say that. 

He said a lot about enforcing criminal laws generally, tracking "lunatics" and posting armed guards in schools.
The only gun-related rule he expressed support for was the National Instant Check System, although he confirmed the NRA's position that it need not be used for private sales.

[derspiess]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/23/nra-chief-enforce-the-existing-gun-laws/?page=all

The National Rifle Association does not plan to support any new gun control measures in the wake of the shooting rampage in Newtown, Conn., the head of the organization said Sunday, arguing that the government should vigorously enforce laws already on the books and reiterating the group's push for more armed guards in schools as part of the solution.

That's what the Washington Times said that LaPierre said.
Problem is -- it's not in the transcript.  LaPierre didn't say that. 

He said a lot about enforcing criminal laws generally, tracking "lunatics" and posting armed guards in schools.
The only gun-related rule he expressed support for was the National Instant Check System, although he confirmed the NRA's position that it need not be used for private sales.

So he has to enumerate every single gun law he wants to be enforced, in order to make you happy?

[merithyn]

So he has to enumerate every single gun law he wants to be enforced, in order to make you happy?

You were asked to show that the NRA supports the gun laws on the books. It seems fair that if what you site doesn't really do that, it should be called out, doesn't it?

[derspiess]

You were asked to show that the NRA supports the gun laws on the books. It seems fair that if what you site doesn't really do that, it should be called out, doesn't it?

The NRA has been saying it for years-- anytime new gun control legislation has been brought up.  Even their opponents recognize that it's been their stated position.  Whether or not you choose to believe the NRA's sincerity is a different issue.

[merithyn]

You were asked to show that the NRA supports the gun laws on the books. It seems fair that if what you site doesn't really do that, it should be called out, doesn't it?

The NRA has been saying it for years-- anytime new gun control legislation has been brought up.  Even their opponents recognize that it's been their stated position.  Whether or not you choose to believe the NRA's sincerity is a different issue.

I think it's more that we're looking for proof of this support, dear.

[Razgovory]

I did do some research as Derspeiss requested.  Mr LaPierre goes on about a lot of things such as arresting all the gang members in Chicago (why this particular city is targeted is unclear to me), put police in schools, and enforce the laws that exist.  The last one is fair enough, the the second one is a bit overboard and the first one is unconstitutional.  Focusing on the second two, this would likely require a major increase in taxation.  Derspeiss, would you be willing to pay higher taxes see these laws enforced (and maybe hiring police for schools)?  Would the rest of the GOP be keen on this.

[merithyn]

I did do some research as Derspeiss requested.  Mr LaPierre goes on about a lot of things such as arresting all the gang members in Chicago (why this particular city is targeted is unclear to me), put police in schools, and enforce the laws that exist. 

Asking that laws on the books be enforced doesn't necessarily mean that those laws are supported. It simply means that they have accepted that they are fact.