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Started by Habbaku, October 02, 2011, 07:10:27 PM

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The Brain

#75
October 26, 2011, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on October 25, 2011, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 21, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
You mean the Ottoman Empire wasn't a decrepit wreck from 1836 to 1918? Call me inquisitive.

Hrm. Anyone at Gallipoli we can ask about the decrepit Ottomans?

Mel's insane and not credible.
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HisMajestyBOB

#76
October 26, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
The Ottomans were at least able to take the Levant from the Egyptians, which never happens in-game.
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#77
October 27, 2011, 09:25:58 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on October 26, 2011, 09:12:45 PM
The Ottomans were at least able to take the Levant from the Egyptians, which never happens in-game.

Historically, the Ottomans required aggressive intervention from Britain to save their bacon.  That and succession problems allowed the Ottomans to retake control.
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Razgovory

#78
October 27, 2011, 04:40:09 PM
And they didn't even eat bacon.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Valmy

#79
October 27, 2011, 05:03:57 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 27, 2011, 04:40:09 PM
And they didn't even eat bacon.

Turkey Bacon!
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Faeelin

#80
October 27, 2011, 10:22:04 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 26, 2011, 03:29:15 PM
Wow they held some ground in WWI.  If you were willing to sacrifice tons of your people to do it that was no large task...I mean unless you are Romania.

People don't think that the Kaiserreich was a decrepit, backwards power, despite getting its ass kicked and starving in the World War.

I don't think the Ottomans were a superpower, but the fact that it fell in the same war that saw the Austro-Hungarians, Russia, and the German Empire collapse makes me think that the problem was that the Empire was inherently weak.

Razgovory

#81
October 28, 2011, 02:47:24 AM
No, I think their performance in the Balkan war and the Italian-Ottoman war indicated they were inherently weak.  They just happened to have been destroyed in the same war as better run states.  Germany simply suffered from a hapless foreign policy.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Drakken

#82
October 28, 2011, 01:24:38 PM Last Edit: October 28, 2011, 01:26:12 PM by Drakken
Quote from: Faeelin on October 27, 2011, 10:22:04 PM
People don't think that the Kaiserreich was a decrepit, backwards power, despite getting its ass kicked and starving in the World War.

The Kaiserreich almost bled France to death, with next to no help, while Turkey was barely able to hold their empire against a ragtag bunch of Balkantards and Arabs loosely supported by the British.

Small difference indeed.

Habbaku

#83
October 28, 2011, 02:34:31 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
The Kaiserreich almost bled France to death, with next to no help, while Turkey was barely able to hold their empire against a ragtag bunch of Balkantards and Arabs loosely supported by the British.

Are we counting Russians as Balkantards, now?
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Viking

#84
October 28, 2011, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 28, 2011, 02:34:31 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
The Kaiserreich almost bled France to death, with next to no help, while Turkey was barely able to hold their empire against a ragtag bunch of Balkantards and Arabs loosely supported by the British.

Are we counting Russians as Balkantards, now?

The Russians on the Balkan and the Caucasus fronts were Balkan- and Caucasustards respectively.
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Habbaku

#85
October 28, 2011, 10:24:32 PM
The Russians didn't really engage the Turks in the Balkans, though--that was primarily an Austrian/German conflict with some minor Turkish assistance.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
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Razgovory

#86
October 28, 2011, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 28, 2011, 02:34:31 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 28, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
The Kaiserreich almost bled France to death, with next to no help, while Turkey was barely able to hold their empire against a ragtag bunch of Balkantards and Arabs loosely supported by the British.

Are we counting Russians as Balkantards, now?

They failed to hold back the Balkantards in 1912.  Turkey was in bad shape, though losing the war was probably for the best.  While Turkey is not the nicest place to live in the world it has been spared the turmoil that so devastated and humiliated its Muslim neighbors.  Compared to say, Iran or Egypt, the Turks have had a smooth ride.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Habbaku

#87
October 28, 2011, 10:51:05 PM
I think I probably misinterpreted Drakken's statement as referring to solely WW I.  I am well aware of the Balkan Wars and their effects on the creaking Ottomans.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

The Brain

#88
October 29, 2011, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 28, 2011, 10:51:05 PM
creaking Ottomans.

I think this is mostly an American problem.
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dps

#89
October 29, 2011, 08:13:56 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 28, 2011, 10:24:32 PM
The Russians didn't really engage the Turks in the Balkans, though--that was primarily an Austrian/German conflict with some minor Turkish assistance.

AFAIK, there weren't any Turkish-Russian battles in the Balkans in WWI.  There were some Russian troops that took part in the Romanian campaign, but not any Turks that I'm aware of.  I believe there were some Russian troops involved in the Salonika campaign (not sure on that), but I don't think they saw any action against the small number of Turks involved.
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