Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul

[Valmy]

Thank you for pointing that out. Would you like some champagne with your organic pork?

Yeah sorry I didn't notice this thread had gone in a completely insane direction.  Are the protestors eating dogs or something?

[garbon]

Interesting that Obama likened the Occupy crew to the Tea Partiers. He didn't say it dismissively but I wonder how each group will feel.

[Malthus]

Thank you for pointing that out. Would you like some champagne with your organic pork?

Yeah sorry I didn't notice this thread had gone in a completely insane direction.  Are the protestors eating dogs or something?

They are probably against that.

[The Minsky Moment]

Perhaps another difference between Toronto and Vancouver.  organic grass fed non medicated meat is fairly plentiful and reasonably priced around here.

You will never convince the ignoramuses that have gotten so used to fatty but flavorless beef from corn-fed hormone-juiced cows in pens that they don't know any better.  It is a ridiculous situation driven by crazy farm policies that encourage massive over-production of corn, and so everything from breakfast foods to candy to animal feed to plastic bags to gasoline has to be crammed full of corn and corn by-products.  North American tastes have become so dulled that when actually confronted by a quality piece of meat that has real texture and flavot, many people reject it because it doesn't accord with their expectation of something fatty and bland, and because it actually requires teeth to chew.

[Malthus]

Perhaps another difference between Toronto and Vancouver.  organic grass fed non medicated meat is fairly plentiful and reasonably priced around here.

You will never convince the ignoramuses that have gotten so used to fatty but flavorless beef from corn-fed hormone-juiced cows in pens that they don't know any better.  It is a ridiculous situation driven by crazy farm policies that encourage massive over-production of corn, and so everything from breakfast foods to candy to animal feed to plastic bags to gasoline has to be crammed full of corn and corn by-products.  North American tastes have become so dulled that when actually confronted by a quality piece of meat that has real texture and flavot, many people reject it because it doesn't accord with their expectation of something fatty and bland, and because it actually requires teeth to chew.

Huh? That ain't the issue. Pretty well everyone I know prefers the taste of "organic" meat, but it is, at least here in Ontario, more expensive - perhaps because of the policies favouring corn or whatever. The trade-off is cost versus quality.

What CC is saying is that in BC "organic" isn't much more expensive, and Jacob says it's cheaper. Dunno how that works, but that's what they are saying.

[crazy canuck]

Huh? That ain't the issue. Pretty well everyone I know prefers the taste of "organic" meat, but it is, at least here in Ontario, more expensive - perhaps because of the policies favouring corn or whatever. The trade-off is cost versus quality.

What CC is saying is that in BC "organic" isn't much more expensive, and Jacob says it's cheaper. Dunno how that works, but that's what they are saying.

Methinks JR had in mind Neil's comment that all meat is organic.

[Malthus]

Methinks JR had in mind Neil's comment that all meat is organic.

While it may be a silly choice of term, it has come to represent a standard, sort of like the Kosher system.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/orgbio/stainte.shtml

[crazy canuck]

Methinks JR had in mind Neil's comment that all meat is organic.

While it may be a silly choice of term, it has come to represent a standard, sort of like the Kosher system.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/orgbio/stainte.shtml

Yes, I undertand you are on the plain language side of the debate but this is a very good example of the harm such nonsense can cause.  There is no way in hell a factory farmed piece of anything tastes as good or is as beneficial as its organic counterpart and yet people like Neil will insist there is really no difference - after all aren't they all organic?

[Barrister]

To be fair, Neil lives in Alberta.  I've known many a rancher out here.  My brother in law has cattle (though he does it on the side, his day job is working as a push on a rig).  I've never heard of meat from "corn-fed hormone-juiced cows in pens".  When I drive through the countryside I see tons of cows standing around in fields.  So when I go out and buy a piece of organic meat from the local farmers market, there really isn't much difference between it and what you get at the grocery store.

I could see there being a substantial difference in a place like NYC, but not in Alberta.

[Now that being said, there is a huge difference between locally grown produce, and something shipped from California or South America, which is the reason I go to the farmers market in the first place]

[Malthus]

Methinks JR had in mind Neil's comment that all meat is organic.

While it may be a silly choice of term, it has come to represent a standard, sort of like the Kosher system.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/orgbio/stainte.shtml

Yes, I undertand you are on the plain language side of the debate but this is a very good example of the harm such nonsense can cause.  There is no way in hell a factory farmed piece of anything tastes as good or is as beneficial as its organic counterpart and yet people like Neil will insist there is really no difference - after all aren't they all organic?

I'm sort of scratching my head here.

The problem seems to lie in the use, no doubt for marketing purposes, of a somewhat confusing moniker for what is in reality a quality control certification system.

If people are confused by the term, why is it the fault of those advocating "plain language", rather than (say) those advocating use of the confusing term?

[Jacob]

What CC is saying is that in BC "organic" isn't much more expensive, and Jacob says it's cheaper. Dunno how that works, but that's what they are saying.

It's not cheaper everywhere. It's just that I know of this one butcher whose primary business is supplying high end restaurants. They're only open Fri-Sat for retail customers, but their prices are equal to or lower than what I'm paying for non-organic meat at IGA (a mid tier supermarket). Certainly, organic is much more expensive if I buy it at Whole Foods/ Urban Fare (up market supermarkets) or the quaint little organic themed stores you find. Similarly, if I buy the value packs at No Frills etc I can probably get some things cheaper than at the butcher in question (especially if I wait for a sale).

In general the rule is that organic and free range is more expensive than medicated and factory farmed, just like Ontario. But there are places where you can get a really good product for a really good price.

[Neil]

Yes, I undertand you are on the plain language side of the debate but this is a very good example of the harm such nonsense can cause.  There is no way in hell a factory farmed piece of anything tastes as good or is as beneficial as its organic counterpart and yet people like Neil will insist there is really no difference - after all aren't they all organic?

I live in Alberta.  I would have a hard time finding factory-farmed meat, so I don't have much to say about it.  Move somewhere decent, you godless heathen, and maybe you can eat right too.

What I do have to say is that champagne from California is still champagne.

[DGuller]

Does anyone know how much it costs to adopt a dog from the pound?  Do they have a limit on the number of dogs you can adopt per day?  I'm brainstorming a possible business venture.   

[Razgovory]

Does anyone know how much it costs to adopt a dog from the pound?  Do they have a limit on the number of dogs you can adopt per day?  I'm brainstorming a possible business venture.   

Hear at least you have to pay for shots when you take them out of the pound.  It's like 100 bucks.  Best bet it to kidnap peoples pets.  You should team up with Mono on this.  "Wacky Accent Guys Mystery Meat stand!"

[Maximus]

The first time I had corn-fed beef was in Nova Scotia. My first thought was that someone had found a moose.