When the Ottoman flag flew over part of Britain ...

[Syt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lundy_Island#Piracy

Piracy

But the island was hard to govern. Over the next few centuries, trouble followed as both English and foreign pirates and privateers – including other members of the Marisco family – took control of the island for short periods. Ships were forced to navigate close to Lundy because of the dangerous shingle banks in the fast flowing River Severn and Bristol Channel, with its 32 feet (10 m) tide, the second highest in the world.[19][20] This made the island a profitable location from which to prey on passing Bristol-bound merchant ships bringing back valuable goods from overseas.[21]

In 1627 Barbary Pirates from the Republic of Salé occupied Lundy for five years. The North African invaders, under the command of Dutch renegade Jan Janszoon, flew an Ottoman flag over the island. Some captured Europeans were held on Lundy before being sent to Algiers as slaves.[22][23][24] From 1628 to 1634 the island was plagued by pirate ships of French, Basque, English, and Spanish origin. These incursions were eventually ended by Sir John Pennington, but in the 1660s and as late as the 1700s the island still fell prey to French privateers.[25]

[Slargos]

The sand-nigger slavetrade dwarfs the european. For some reason people tend to overlook it. I wonder why? 

[Ideologue]

The sand-nigger slavetrade dwarfs the european. For some reason people tend to overlook it. I wonder why? 

I'm calling bullshit.  There are something like thirty million people in the U.S. alone with over half their genes traceable to slaves.

I mean, if you're counting shit like the Janissaries, then I'm counting Spartacus.

[Valmy]

I'm calling bullshit.  There are something like thirty million people in the U.S. alone with over half their genes traceable to slaves.

I mean, if you're counting shit like the Janissaries, then I'm counting Spartacus.

Huh?  The Janissaries were not part of the slave trade.  They were collected as tribute.  You are aware the Arabs did indeed create the African slave trade right?

[Neil]

The sand-nigger slavetrade dwarfs the european. For some reason people tend to overlook it. I wonder why? 

I'm calling bullshit.  There are something like thirty million people in the U.S. alone with over half their genes traceable to slaves.

What does your statement have to do with his?  What does genetics have to do with the slave trade?

[Gups]

The sand-nigger slavetrade dwarfs the european. For some reason people tend to overlook it. I wonder why? 

According to wiki 10-18m African slaves through the Arab slave trade over a period of 1,250 years plus 1-1.25m European slaves.

10.25m arrived in the new world through the Atlantic slave trade with several million dying en route. This was over a 300 year period.

[Valmy]

According to wiki 10-18m African slaves through the Arab slave trade over a period of 1,250 years plus 1-1.25m European slaves.

10.25m arrived in the new world through the Atlantic slave trade with several million dying en route. This was over a 300 year period.

The Euros labor needs were a little higher

I am curious about the low number of Euro slaves.  I thought the Crimean Tatars nabbed so many Slavs that our word for Slave comes from them.  But maybe that 1 million or so happened in a small time period?

Or do the Turks not count as part of the Arab slave trade?

[Habbaku]

Or do the Turks not count as part of the Arab slave trade?

[Valmy]

Or do the Turks not count as part of the Arab slave trade?

Well the Turks were victims of and then practitioners in said trade so acting like they are separate is a little odd.

[Syt]

Yeah, well, in the 16th/17th century everyone in the Med was enslaving whoever they could get away with.

[Ideologue]

The sand-nigger slavetrade dwarfs the european. For some reason people tend to overlook it. I wonder why? 

I'm calling bullshit.  There are something like thirty million people in the U.S. alone with over half their genes traceable to slaves.

What does your statement have to do with his?  What does genetics have to do with the slave trade?

The present-day large black population indicates that there was a large population of slaves in the past.  I suppose I could have just said "there were millions of transportees and millions more born in the Americas as slaves."  Since these figures are known, I suppose inferring from present population isn't necessary.

[Ideologue]

I'm calling bullshit.  There are something like thirty million people in the U.S. alone with over half their genes traceable to slaves.

I mean, if you're counting shit like the Janissaries, then I'm counting Spartacus.

Huh?  The Janissaries were not part of the slave trade.  They were collected as tribute.  You are aware the Arabs did indeed create the African slave trade right?

Still slaves.  I am aware of an East African slave trade.

[Sahib]

According to wiki 10-18m African slaves through the Arab slave trade over a period of 1,250 years plus 1-1.25m European slaves.

10.25m arrived in the new world through the Atlantic slave trade with several million dying en route. This was over a 300 year period.

The Euros labor needs were a little higher

I am curious about the low number of Euro slaves.  I thought the Crimean Tatars nabbed so many Slavs that our word for Slave comes from them.  But maybe that 1 million or so happened in a small time period?

Or do the Turks not count as part of the Arab slave trade?

I think Slave/Slav thing comes from early middle ages, when Tatars were still in Mongolia.

[Habbaku]

The sand-nigger slavetrade dwarfs the european. For some reason people tend to overlook it. I wonder why? 

According to wiki 10-18m African slaves through the Arab slave trade over a period of 1,250 years plus 1-1.25m European slaves.

10.25m arrived in the new world through the Atlantic slave trade with several million dying en route. This was over a 300 year period.

I'm not sure this is much a dig on European culture.  So, we proved better at acquiring slaves and ended the trade in a much shorter time-period than a different people who we then beat the shit out of to make them stop slave-trading?  Sounds good to me.

[Valmy]

Still slaves.  I am aware of an East African slave trade.

Sure they were technically slaves but they were never bought or sold as a commodity so do not count in the Slave Trade.