Cops charged with murder for beating mentally ill man to death

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Neil

#30
September 21, 2011, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 21, 2011, 11:39:44 PM
If we had universal healthcare the guy probably wouldn't have been on the street.
No, you still would.  Permanently institutionalizing the horribly insane is too expensive, and insane people tend to become homeless.
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#31
September 22, 2011, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 21, 2011, 11:56:37 PM
Permanently institutionalizing the horribly insane is too expensive,

Uhhh, you realize how many people we have in prisons already right? It's not too expensive, it's just not a priority.
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Ideologue

#32
September 22, 2011, 12:03:44 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 21, 2011, 11:53:44 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 21, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
No, you nitwit.  I'm referring to who made the video.  Reason magazine guys.  Libertarians.  The situation of a schizophrenic living on the streets because he can't get medication is perfectly fine with them.  They took issue with the the government intervening.  Perhaps if he had been killed by private security guards they wouldn't mind so much.

Once again, fuckhead, I'm sorry that your attention-span fails to allow you to go beyond the fact the video was made by people that are in the wrong tribe as you.  Maybe if you weren't so blinded by your ideology you might be able to avoid that.

I'm blinded by Ideology.  Whenever I look in the mirror. :wub:
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#33
September 22, 2011, 12:04:50 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 22, 2011, 12:03:44 AM
I'm blinded by Ideology.  Whenever I look in the mirror. :wub:

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jimmy olsen

#34
September 22, 2011, 12:23:15 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on September 21, 2011, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2011, 10:48:16 PM
Was that photo really necessary?

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Indeed, but I don't need to look at it to know that it's bad. I denounced it without seeing that.
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Martinus

#35
September 22, 2011, 12:44:37 AM
Quote from: AnchorClanker on September 21, 2011, 08:20:04 PM
Fullerton - I used to live right next door in Placentia.  LA and Orange County cops are not known for being cuddly.

Placentia? Was it somewhere near Uterius?

Martinus

#36
September 22, 2011, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 10:46:11 PM
These cops sound like they were just punks, and they need to go to jail.

Jail? I thought you would argue for a death penalty. What makes this case different from Troy Davis' one (except that here we can be more certain the murderer did it)?

11B4V

#37
September 22, 2011, 01:34:29 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 22, 2011, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 10:46:11 PM
These cops sound like they were just punks, and they need to go to jail.

Jail? I thought you would argue for a death penalty. What makes this case different from Troy Davis' one (except that here we can be more certain the murderer did it)?
Depends on what is/can be proved/disproved right.....lawyer.   
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#38
September 22, 2011, 05:30:40 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 22, 2011, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 10:46:11 PM
These cops sound like they were just punks, and they need to go to jail.

Jail? I thought you would argue for a death penalty. What makes this case different from Troy Davis' one (except that here we can be more certain the murderer did it)?

Not a big fan of the DP.  Besides, as an alleged lawyer, you should know the difference between shooting someone and death by beatdown.  I think the lawtalking term might be "intent".  :P

CountDeMoney

#39
September 22, 2011, 05:31:22 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 22, 2011, 12:23:15 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on September 21, 2011, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2011, 10:48:16 PM
Was that photo really necessary?

Real life = NSFW!
Indeed, but I don't need to look at it to know that it's bad. I denounced it without seeing that.

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Razgovory

#40
September 22, 2011, 06:13:27 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 21, 2011, 11:53:44 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 21, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
No, you nitwit.  I'm referring to who made the video.  Reason magazine guys.  Libertarians.  The situation of a schizophrenic living on the streets because he can't get medication is perfectly fine with them.  They took issue with the the government intervening.  Perhaps if he had been killed by private security guards they wouldn't mind so much.

Once again, fuckhead, I'm sorry that your attention-span fails to allow you to go beyond the fact the video was made by people that are in the wrong tribe as you.  Maybe if you weren't so blinded by your ideology you might be able to avoid that.

I watched the video.  Still, I despise libertarians just as I would despise any other sort of traitor.
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Neil

#41
September 22, 2011, 07:33:22 AM
I don't think you know what that word means, Raz.
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#42
September 22, 2011, 07:34:18 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 22, 2011, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 21, 2011, 11:56:37 PM
Permanently institutionalizing the horribly insane is too expensive,
Uhhh, you realize how many people we have in prisons already right? It's not too expensive, it's just not a priority.
Caring for the mentally ill is even more expensive, as they are generally treated to some degree, not just warehoused like prisoners.
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viper37

#43
September 22, 2011, 07:51:48 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 21, 2011, 11:51:15 PM
Quote from: viper37 on September 21, 2011, 11:19:18 PM
I wonder if 11B4V will say they deserve to be executed.
Lame.

Are they convicted or just charged right now? Have they had their day(s) in court??
Why lame?  If you support death penalty, you should seek it out for the case of these policemen, after a proper trial, of course.
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#44
September 22, 2011, 07:53:12 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2011, 05:30:40 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 22, 2011, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 10:46:11 PM
These cops sound like they were just punks, and they need to go to jail.

Jail? I thought you would argue for a death penalty. What makes this case different from Troy Davis' one (except that here we can be more certain the murderer did it)?

Not a big fan of the DP.  Besides, as an alleged lawyer, you should know the difference between shooting someone and death by beatdown.  I think the lawtalking term might be "intent".  :P
you don't need a gun to have the intent to kille someone.  Also, you may not have the intent of killing someone while shooting them.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

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