Would embracing gays cost conservatives votes?

[Martinus]

...heteros have the right to marry outside of the traditional church rules, so gays should have that right to.  End of debate, correc the mistake, go to next problem.

What have you done to my homophobic enemy? 
G.

I don't know.  Did he ever really existed?

I still don't like seeing two guys kissing on tv, if that helps you   I skip through these parts in True Bloood with my remote control, just as I skip the incessant 'nude Eric' parts too.

I think that's alright. I don't like the sight of women in erotic situations, and a naked vagina makes me sick. A visceral reaction to anything is not a sign of homophobia (anymore than having sexual preference for certain races makes you racist), as long as you do not transfer this into the area of cognitive views.

[The Brain]

(anymore than having sexual preference for certain races makes you racist),

How much more racist can you get?

[Ideologue]

I, bigot?

[Barrister]

(anymore than having sexual preference for certain races makes you racist),

How much more racist can you get?

Slargos.

[Valmy]

I don't like the sight of women in erotic situations, and a naked vagina makes me sick.

You misogynistic bastard!

[Razgovory]

Tell me Raz, who was being hurt, legally, by not having a colonial name for the army?  Are you telling me that gay marriage is a non issue because gays did not suffer any kind of legal discrimination that married heteros don't face during their lives?

Nobody was hurt.  Just as nobody was hurt using  the royal name.

[viper37]

Nobody was hurt.

than why change it?  Some people were obviously hurt by this colonial symbol, with good historical reasons.

[dps]

Hate crime legislation.  Recognition of "gay pride" or whatever at universities, private companies, etc.

And same-sex marriage

Ahh, so not being persecuted is a "special deal".  Do not many Conservatives demand special recognition of Christianity in government and the like?

I'm all in favor of laws making it a crime to physically attack another person without provocation.  I don't see any need for a law that would make it a more serious crime to attack me withou provocation due to me being a Christian.

[Valmy]

I'm all in favor of laws making it a crime to physically attack another person without provocation.  I don't see any need for a law that would make it a more serious crime to attack me withou provocation due to me being a Christian.

I do not know for sure but isn't the source of that an attempt to take down the 'gay panic' defense thing?  I do not see how that compares to anything Christians face in this country.

[MadImmortalMan]

I'm all in favor of laws making it a crime to physically attack another person without provocation.  I don't see any need for a law that would make it a more serious crime to attack me withou provocation due to me being a Christian.

I do not know for sure but isn't the source of that an attempt to take down the 'gay panic' defense thing?  I do not see how that compares to anything Christians face in this country.

Don't need to do anything for that. It's a stupid non-defense already.

[Valmy]

Don't need to do anything for that. It's a stupid non-defense already.

I agree I was just saying they were trying to correct something with that law.  I am certainly not in favor of hate crime legislation.

[Martinus]

I'm all in favor of laws making it a crime to physically attack another person without provocation.  I don't see any need for a law that would make it a more serious crime to attack me withou provocation due to me being a Christian.

We have had this argument before. Motivation plays an important role in penalization of crimes and can even affect a type of crime. The state can find certain motivations more heinous than others (or more harmful than others) and act accordingly.

Terrorism is a great example of that.

[Sheilbh]

Yeah.  As far as I can see hate crimes legislation just gives particular weight to motive in certain cases, and there's nothing unusual or offensive in that.

Christians are covered by British hate crime law anyway

[Razgovory]

Nobody was hurt.

than why change it?  Some people were obviously hurt by this colonial symbol, with good historical reasons.

Only in the same way some people are hurt when gays get married.  It's to preserve culture and such.

[Martinus]

Speaking of which, from the Last Republican of Hollywood:

LOS ANGELES (TheWrap.com) - He won't be riding the main float during Pride, but Clint Eastwood doesn't care if same-sex couples get married.

In the October issue of GQ Magazine, the steely gazed slab of machismo says he doesn't think gay marriage should be such a controversial issue.

"These people who are making a big deal about gay marriage?" Eastwood tells the magazine. "I don't give a fuck about who wants to get married to anybody else! Why not?! We're making a big deal out of things we shouldn't be making a deal out of ... Just give everybody the chance to have the life they want."

The Oscar-winning director is promoting "J. Edgar," his biopic about J. Edgar Hoover, the controversial longtime FBI chief, who many suspected to be closeted.

Leonardo DiCaprio, who stars as the bureau chief, also thinks that the gay marriage debate has been overblown.

"That's the most infuriating thing -- watching people focus on these things," DiCaprio told GQ. "Meanwhile, there's the onset of global warming and these incredibly scary and menacing things with the future of our economy."

Though DiCaprio is a prominent supporter of liberal causes and candidates, Eastwood is known as one of Hollywood's few Republicans. However, he maintains that his attitude is in keeping with his political beliefs.

"I was an Eisenhower Republican when I started out at 21, because he promised to get us out of the Korean War," Eastwood tells the magazine. "And over the years, I realized there was a Republican philosophy that I liked. And then they lost it. And libertarians had more of it. Because what I really believe is, let's spend a little more time leaving everybody alone."

"J. Edgar" hits theaters on November 9. It's written by Dustin Lance Black ("Milk"), an openly gay screenwriter who has been active in the marriage equality movement.