Canada to firmly re-assess its status as a British colony

[LaCroix]

Can some mod fix the typo in the thread title? It annoys me every time I look at it in the forum index.

given the way people treat you here, is that something you want to announce?

[grumbler]

Oh you meant the Province? I thought you meant the city. My bad.

Then yes, they used to live here. Mostly on anything south-east side of the St-lawrence. I think the Mohawks were on the West-side.

Yes.  Previous attempts to settle on the site of Quebec had been abandoned because of the hostility of the natives.  The land was temporarily empty because of the war and/or because the land was being allowed to lie fallow.  Not that this means anything, since European and native concepts of land ownership were so far apart.  The location was certainly more significant for the Europeans than the natives.

[Malthus]

It's like saying "when the aliens landed in Flanders in 1917, the area they landed in was completely uninhabited". 

That's not quite apt. There was no war being waged: the St. Lawrence Iroquoians were gone, i.e., the conflicts were over, the Iroquoians were either dead or incorporated into other groups.  No trace of them remained. Your hypothetical aliens could not have said the same of Flanders.

They certainly could, if they landed in no man's land. Few Belgians stayed on to farm between shellings.

The notion that the St Lawrence valley was "terra nullius" when settled by France is no doubt comforting, and accurate in that no state level society claimed it, but rather misleading. 

[Oexmelin]

The notion that the St Lawrence valley was "terra nullius" when settled by France is no doubt comforting, and accurate in that no state level society claimed it, but rather misleading.

I probably missed the initial wording of the "debate" in this trainwreck of a thread, but I wasn't claiming the St. Lawrence valley was terra nullius - simply because I don't think this concept has any relevant meaning for the situation (or, really, in most historical situations). The point - or, my very limited point, at least - was not about finding emotional comfort, but rather understanding how the fact that land use in the St. Lawrence valley without the St. Lawrence Iroquoian  being there, was much less conflictual that would eventually be the case, say, in New England or the Natchez region - in turn leading to profound consequences on issues of Native and French settlement and relationships (i.e., mission villages, absence of treaties, etc.). 

[Razgovory]

To me, it looks like an effect to paint the French settlers as blameless innocents in contrast the blood thirsty Anglos.  In other words, more whinny identity politics.

[Oexmelin]

Considering the way you troll when anything related to Quebec comes up, I find it hard to care much about how these things look to you.

[Razgovory]

Considering the way you troll when anything related to Quebec comes up, I find it hard to care much about how these things look to you.

  I genuinely don't care about Quebec one way or the other.  The extant of my knowledge comes from posters here.  I know they have a language police and they are the most corrupt province of Canada.  I away get the feeling they have a serious inferiority complex, but that's just the impression I get from the posters here.

[Grey Fox]

Considering the way you troll when anything related to Quebec comes up, I find it hard to care much about how these things look to you.

  I genuinely don't care about Quebec one way or the other.  The extant of my knowledge comes from posters here.  I know they have a language police and they are the most corrupt province of Canada.  I away get the feeling they have a serious inferiority complex, but that's just the impression I get from the posters here.

It wasn't always a complex. It used to be reality.

[Razgovory]

Well I'm happy for you that you are no longer inferior.  Still, these complaints about paintings being taken down are a bit tiresome.  You guys kind of remind me of Southerners and their stupid confederate battle flag.  "It's our culture and heritage!".  That's not really fair. You guys aren't that bad, but it's a similar vibe.

[LaCroix]

To me, it looks like an effect to paint the French settlers as blameless innocents in contrast the blood thirsty Anglos.  In other words, more whinny identity politics.

the anglos were pretty fucked up. the reaction to the injun attack on jamestown first comes to thought

[Razgovory]

To me, it looks like an effect to paint the French settlers as blameless innocents in contrast the blood thirsty Anglos.  In other words, more whinny identity politics.

the anglos were pretty fucked up. the reaction to the injun attack on jamestown first comes to thought

The "Anglos" also starved some of my ancestors out of their homes.  A million dead and a million fled.  So yeah, lots of people have a beef with the Brits.

[LaCroix]

those damn """""anglos"""""

[Grallon]

It wasn't always a complex. It used to be reality.

Why are you even acknowledging that imbecile? 





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[Grallon]

No comments...


But do send your brother our way - we'll find a use for him.




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[Valmy]

They strike me as sort of people who are in a perpetual state of outrage.

You should read Canadian newspapers to get things into perspective.

Well I might be projecting a bit there.  We have many segments in the US that, politically anyway, are always outraged.