GOP debate

[Razgovory]

Oh, I thought you had a point of some kind.  If you are just prattling on, then go ahead.

[Berkut]

Oh, I thought you had a point of some kind.  If you are just prattling on, then go ahead.

I was answering a question asked by someone else, you twit. And YOU then asked me a question, which I foolishly answered.

Thanks for reminding me AGAIN why I should never respond to anything you post.

[Sheilbh]

He's only centrist from your European perspective.  Foreign policy aside, of course.

Depends how you define left but I think Obama's a relatively centrist in post-New Deal politics.  From Ike to Reagan (and maybe beyond) he doesn't seem that extreme or lefty.  He's centre left, of course, but that's why he's a Democrat.

[Valmy]

siegy, I still want to hear from you why you think obama is an extreme leftist rather than the centrist his policies would suggest?

He's only centrist from your European perspective.  Foreign policy aside, of course.

Well he did do the biggest expansion of entitlements since the 60s...oh wait no that was Bush.

[derspiess]

siegy, I still want to hear from you why you think obama is an extreme leftist rather than the centrist his policies would suggest?

He's only centrist from your European perspective.  Foreign policy aside, of course.

Well he did do the biggest expansion of entitlements since the 60s...oh wait no that was Bush.

Not that I'm gonna let you trick me into defending Bush's Compassionate Conservatism, but how does his prescription drug benefit trump Obamacare?

[Viking]

siegy, I still want to hear from you why you think obama is an extreme leftist rather than the centrist his policies would suggest?

He's only centrist from your European perspective.  Foreign policy aside, of course.

Well he did do the biggest expansion of entitlements since the 60s...oh wait no that was Bush.

Not that I'm gonna let you trick me into defending Bush's Compassionate Conservatism, but how does his prescription drug benefit trump Obamacare?

I think it has something to do with net cost in the long term.

[Valmy]

Not that I'm gonna let you trick me into defending Bush's Compassionate Conservatism, but how does his prescription drug benefit trump Obamacare?

It is just a pure benefit being given out by the Feds to peeps.  Obamacare is more 'get insurance or we will get you' than a big benefit.

Anyway Obama may indeed be leftist in his heart but he mostly just muddles along in his policies than does anything particularly ideological.

[Iormlund]

siegy, I still want to hear from you why you think obama is an extreme leftist rather than the centrist his policies would suggest?

He's only centrist from your European perspective.  Foreign policy aside, of course.

And gay rights, healthcare, drugs ...

[Viking]

Obama (in the eye of the european)

Healthcare - he is off the far right of the spectrum. Europeans have actual single payer universal health care over the tax budget.

Gay Rights - centrist. Even European Conservatives are pro-gay rights. Gay marriage or military service is not considered controversial.

Drugs - he is far right. Drug prices are regulated and controlled.

Foreign Policy - center right, seeks to end the existing wars and make peace in palestine

etc.etc.

[Razgovory]

To be fair, nobody is really trying to make peace in Palestine.

[Razgovory]

I like how in the last debate people in the audience booed a gay solider.  Such nice chaps.

[Sheilbh]

It's willfull ignorance to pretend that the left in this country wasn't howling for Bush's head from day one over his "stolen election."

Until 9/11.  I don't remember the howling.  My impression was that the left generally started sneering and assumed that he'd be a one term President as, in the early days, it looked like he would.

It's willfull ignorance to pretend that the left didn't try to bludgeon Bush with Iraq and then stop caring after we had won.

Not true.  Iraq divided the left (and it's nonsense to suggest otherwise) most of the American left support Iraq if they grew increasingly dubious about Bush and Rumsfeld.  But I don't think you can say that crossed over into the mainstream until 2005-06.  There's a reason they nominated Kerry not Dean.

It's willfull ignorance to pretend that Gitmo was the most heinous crime known to man until Obama continued it.

The civil liberties left have legitimate grievances, they are not the left.

The biggest crime of the Bush administration was torture.

No, he did not.

No he didn't.  Congress did, led by John McCain in 2005 and Bush signed that law. 

Obama didn't stop detention, but there's a difference.  The issue of detention is real and difficult (I think Obama and Bush are probably wrong on it, but I'm not sure), torture's a civilised society whoring herself out to fear.

[Ed Anger]

I like how in the last debate people in the audience booed a gay solider.  Such nice chaps.

I would have booed him. Martiniusism should be stamped out.

[Jacob]

I like how in the last debate people in the audience booed a gay solider.  Such nice chaps.

I would have booed him. Martiniusism should be stamped out.

That's not Martinusism. The soldier didn't use shitty metaphors or call for death and persecution of people he doesn't like. He did, however join the military and serve his country.

I don't think it's fair to call him a Martinusist.

[Ed Anger]

I like how in the last debate people in the audience booed a gay solider.  Such nice chaps.

I would have booed him. Martiniusism should be stamped out.

That's not Martinusism. The soldier didn't use shitty metaphors or call for death and persecution of people he doesn't like. He did, however join the military and serve his country.

I don't think it's fair to call him a Martinusist.

Sigh.