GOP debate

[Ideologue]

It's not the only, one but it dwarfs any other.  I understand it why you don't like it.  It makes your guys look terrible.

The principle reason I don't like it is because it's willfull ignorance.  Just as it's willfull ignorance to say that Clinton was impeached over a blowjob.  If you think that lying under oath and obstructing an investigation was not an impeachable offense, go ahead and make that case, but don't pretend it was about a blowjob.  It's willfull ignorance to pretend that the left in this country wasn't howling for Bush's head from day one over his "stolen election."  It's willfull ignorance to pretend that the left didn't try to bludgeon Bush with Iraq and then stop caring after we had won.  It's willfull ignorance to pretend that Gitmo was the most heinous crime known to man until Obama continued it.

Actual question--Obama did stop torture at Gitmo, right?  I forget.

No, he did not.

Shit.

Well, I wanted to vote for Edwards.

[Viking]

siegy, I still want to hear from you why you think obama is an extreme leftist rather than the centrist his policies would suggest?

He's only centrist from your European perspective.  Foreign policy aside, of course.

Sooo.. how does Obama differ from an American centrist then?

[Neil]

Fuck all of you.  The attacks on Nixon were partisan hackery.

[MadImmortalMan]

Shit.

Well, I wanted to vote for Edwards.

I tried to. It turned out badly.

[sbr]

siegy, I still want to hear from you why you think obama is an extreme leftist rather than the centrist his policies would suggest?

He's only centrist from your European perspective.  Foreign policy aside, of course.

The healthcare plan was much less than the left wanted and was very similar to a previous Republican plan.

The stimulus package that was passed was much less than the left wanted.

He extended the Bush tax cuts.

Which things has he done that push him left?

[Fate]

Which things has he done that push him left?

The federal government still exists.

[Razgovory]

It's not the only, one but it dwarfs any other.  I understand it why you don't like it.  It makes your guys look terrible.

The principle reason I don't like it is because it's willfull ignorance.  Just as it's willfull ignorance to say that Clinton was impeached over a blowjob.  If you think that lying under oath and obstructing an investigation was not an impeachable offense, go ahead and make that case, but don't pretend it was about a blowjob.  It's willfull ignorance to pretend that the left in this country wasn't howling for Bush's head from day one over his "stolen election."  It's willfull ignorance to pretend that the left didn't try to bludgeon Bush with Iraq and then stop caring after we had won.  It's willfull ignorance to pretend that Gitmo was the most heinous crime known to man until Obama continued it.

Actual question--Obama did stop torture at Gitmo, right?  I forget.

No, he did not.

Are there people being tortured at Gitmo right now?

[Berkut]

It's not the only, one but it dwarfs any other.  I understand it why you don't like it.  It makes your guys look terrible.

The principle reason I don't like it is because it's willfull ignorance.  Just as it's willfull ignorance to say that Clinton was impeached over a blowjob.  If you think that lying under oath and obstructing an investigation was not an impeachable offense, go ahead and make that case, but don't pretend it was about a blowjob.  It's willfull ignorance to pretend that the left in this country wasn't howling for Bush's head from day one over his "stolen election."  It's willfull ignorance to pretend that the left didn't try to bludgeon Bush with Iraq and then stop caring after we had won.  It's willfull ignorance to pretend that Gitmo was the most heinous crime known to man until Obama continued it.

Actual question--Obama did stop torture at Gitmo, right?  I forget.

No, he did not.

Are there people being tortured at Gitmo right now?

Not that I am aware of...

[Neil]

Are there people being tortured at Gitmo right now?

One would certainly hope so.

[Razgovory]

Not that I am aware of...

So what's your point?  That Obama failed to stop torture at Gtmo because it was no longer occurring there?

[Berkut]

Not that I am aware of...

So what's your point?  That Obama failed to stop torture at Gtmo because it was no longer occurring there?

I've never seen any evidence that torture was ever occurring at Gitmo.

The problem with Gitmo was always the rather dubious legal status of the people incarcerated there, and to the extent that problem has been solved (by letting many of them go or moving them elsewhere) it was largely done before Obama was in office.

Since taking office, he has done exactly nothing, so far as I can tell, in regards to Gitmo that Bush did not do, and far less. Of course, prior to the problem sitting in his lap, we heard about Gitmo and the terrible injustice of it all daily from the left. Funny, now it apparently just isn't that big of a deal anymore.

[Ideologue]

I've never seen any evidence that torture was ever occurring at Gitmo.

You tricked me, Berkut.

[jimmy olsen]

Since taking office, he has done exactly nothing, so far as I can tell, in regards to Gitmo that Bush did not do, and far less. Of course, prior to the problem sitting in his lap, we heard about Gitmo and the terrible injustice of it all daily from the left. Funny, now it apparently just isn't that big of a deal anymore.

Plenty of places on the net where the democratic base still rages about it. Democratic politicians and most talking heads though, I'll agree with you there. They dropped the issue like a hot potato.

[Razgovory]

Not that I am aware of...

So what's your point?  That Obama failed to stop torture at Gtmo because it was no longer occurring there?

I've never seen any evidence that torture was ever occurring at Gitmo.

The problem with Gitmo was always the rather dubious legal status of the people incarcerated there, and to the extent that problem has been solved (by letting many of them go or moving them elsewhere) it was largely done before Obama was in office.

Since taking office, he has done exactly nothing, so far as I can tell, in regards to Gitmo that Bush did not do, and far less. Of course, prior to the problem sitting in his lap, we heard about Gitmo and the terrible injustice of it all daily from the left. Funny, now it apparently just isn't that big of a deal anymore.

If I recall most of the changes were forced on Bush by the Courts so it's a bit disingenuous to say Bush did it.  I'm not sure what your beef is though.  That the courts solved many of the problems before Obama could so Obama is somehow dishonest?

[Berkut]

Not that I am aware of...

So what's your point?  That Obama failed to stop torture at Gtmo because it was no longer occurring there?

I've never seen any evidence that torture was ever occurring at Gitmo.

The problem with Gitmo was always the rather dubious legal status of the people incarcerated there, and to the extent that problem has been solved (by letting many of them go or moving them elsewhere) it was largely done before Obama was in office.

Since taking office, he has done exactly nothing, so far as I can tell, in regards to Gitmo that Bush did not do, and far less. Of course, prior to the problem sitting in his lap, we heard about Gitmo and the terrible injustice of it all daily from the left. Funny, now it apparently just isn't that big of a deal anymore.

If I recall most of the changes were forced on Bush by the Courts so it's a bit disingenuous to say Bush did it.  I'm not sure what your beef is though.  That the courts solved many of the problems before Obama could so Obama is somehow dishonest?

Uhhh, who said anything about Obama being dishonest? Or that I had a beef?