GOP debate

[Admiral Yi]

Please find me the occasion where Democrats impeached a Republican President.  Then we can say both sides are equal.

If in your system of score keeping you only get points for impeachments, DGuller's post doesn't make any sense, since he was talking about Republican behavior during Obama's administration.

[Razgovory]

Please find me the occasion where Democrats impeached a Republican President.  Then we can say both sides are equal.

If in your system of score keeping you only get points for impeachments, DGuller's post doesn't make any sense, since he was talking about Republican behavior during Obama's administration.

It would seem to me the word "habit" would refer to chronic behavior suggesting another Democratic Presidency, i.e. the Clinton Presidency.  And give the GOP some time, if OBAMA wins in 2012 they may very well impeach him.

[Admiral Yi]

It would seem to me the word "habit" would refer to chronic behavior suggesting another Democratic Presidency, i.e. the Clinton Presidency.  And give the GOP some time, if OBAMA wins in 2012 they may very well impeach him.

Sure.  Like I said before, IF the only useful proxy for partisan hostility in your mind is impeachments, and everything that Democrats said or did during the Bush administration doesn't even register, then yes, it naturally follows that Republicans are partisan, hostile, and obstructionist and Democrats are the opposite.  But I don't think that's a reasonable assumption to only take into account impeachments.

[Eddie Teach]

Clinton was impeached for personal behavior, not for bad policy.

[Razgovory]

It would seem to me the word "habit" would refer to chronic behavior suggesting another Democratic Presidency, i.e. the Clinton Presidency.  And give the GOP some time, if OBAMA wins in 2012 they may very well impeach him.

Sure.  Like I said before, IF the only useful proxy for partisan hostility in your mind is impeachments, and everything that Democrats said or did during the Bush administration doesn't even register, then yes, it naturally follows that Republicans are partisan, hostile, and obstructionist and Democrats are the opposite.  But I don't think that's a reasonable assumption to only take into account impeachments.

The impeachment is a good indication of how wide spread and strong anti-Clinton feeling was.  We could spend years pointing out examples of some yahoo saying one thing or another, but the impeachment is something concrete.  Something that can't be denied, or brushed away as the work of a few kooks.  It exists on an entirely different level then anything Democrats said or did about GWB.

[Admiral Yi]

The impeachment is a good indication of how wide spread and strong anti-Clinton feeling was.  We could spend years pointing out examples of some yahoo saying one thing or another, but the impeachment is something concrete.  Something that can't be denied, or brushed away as the work of a few kooks.  It exists on an entirely different level then anything Democrats said or did about GWB.

Sure.  Like I said before, IF the only useful proxy for partisan hostility in your mind is impeachments, and everything that Democrats said or did during the Bush administration doesn't even register, then yes, it naturally follows that Republicans are partisan, hostile, and obstructionist and Democrats are the opposite.  But I don't think that's a reasonable assumption to only take into account impeachments.

[CountDeMoney]

The impeachment is a good indication of how wide spread and strong anti-Clinton feeling was.  We could spend years pointing out examples of some yahoo saying one thing or another, but the impeachment is something concrete.  Something that can't be denied, or brushed away as the work of a few kooks.  It exists on an entirely different level then anything Democrats said or did about GWB.

Sure.  Like I said before, IF the only useful proxy for partisan hostility in your mind is impeachments, and everything that Democrats said or did during the Bush administration doesn't even register, then yes, it naturally follows that Republicans are partisan, hostile, and obstructionist and Democrats are the opposite.  But I don't think that's a reasonable assumption to only take into account impeachments.

This is Raz we're talking about here. 

Unfortunately, we know Republicans are partisan, hostile, and obstructionist without using impeachments as a barometer.  And yes, there has been a single theme in loyal opposition GOP strategy between the Clinton and Obama Administrations, and that is reinforcing and maintaining an appearance of illigitimacy. 
Whether it's impeachment or implying the President isn't a US citizen, Republitards sincerely believe a Democrat should not be in the White House.

[Admiral Yi]

This is Raz we're talking about here. 

Unfortunately, we know Republicans are partisan, hostile, and obstructionist without using impeachments as a barometer.  And yes, there has been a single theme in loyal opposition GOP strategy between the Clinton and Obama Administrations, and that is reinforcing and maintaining an appearance of illigitimacy. 
Whether it's impeachment or implying the President isn't a US citizen, Republitards sincerely believe a Democrat should not be in the White House.

I see.  So now the two useful proxies for partisanship, hostility and obstructionism are (a) impeachments not related to Watergate, and (b) birthers at the fringe of one's party.

[CountDeMoney]

I see.  So now the two useful proxies for partisanship, hostility and obstructionism are (a) impeachments not related to Watergate, and (b) birthers at the fringe of one's party.

I didn't write the Republitard playbook, I'm just a spectator.

Showing up at rallies with guns?  Check.  Believing he's a Mooselimb born in Africa? Check.  Socialism and all that jazz? Check.

Hell, look at Berkut: he's been totally convinced all his taxes for the last three years are going straight to Ms. LaTarsha Baker, minority single mother of 4, of 208 E. 117th St, New York City.

So it works.

[Eddie Teach]

How many baby daddies does Ms. Baker have?

[grumbler]

I see.  So now the two useful proxies for partisanship, hostility and obstructionism are (a) impeachments not related to Watergate, and (b) birthers at the fringe of one's party.

I seem to recall that the "fringe" of the Republicans that didn't believe Obama was born in the US was something like 40% of those surveyed.  Pretty big fringe.

[crazy canuck]

Hell, look at Berkut: he's been totally convinced all his taxes for the last three years are going straight to Ms. LaTarsha Baker, minority single mother of 4, of 208 E. 117th St, New York City.

So it works.

[PDH]

Pretty big fringe.

Sometimes it is nothing but fringe

[Razgovory]

How many baby daddies does Ms. Baker have?

Four.

[Razgovory]

The impeachment is a good indication of how wide spread and strong anti-Clinton feeling was.  We could spend years pointing out examples of some yahoo saying one thing or another, but the impeachment is something concrete.  Something that can't be denied, or brushed away as the work of a few kooks.  It exists on an entirely different level then anything Democrats said or did about GWB.

Sure.  Like I said before, IF the only useful proxy for partisan hostility in your mind is impeachments, and everything that Democrats said or did during the Bush administration doesn't even register, then yes, it naturally follows that Republicans are partisan, hostile, and obstructionist and Democrats are the opposite.  But I don't think that's a reasonable assumption to only take into account impeachments.

It's not the only, one but it dwarfs any other.  I understand it why you don't like it.  It makes your guys look terrible.