GOP debate

[The Minsky Moment]

Fewer delegates.

[Siege]

It's a bit amuzing that you do not see how Obama is working to change america into a socialist society.
I'm sorry but I do not believe in nany states, redistribution of wealth and social inmobility.

You come from a socialist society!  You are a socialist!

I hate socialism BECAUSE I come from a socialist society.
It doesn't WORK.

[Siege]

Obama won because he played to race card.
Americans wanted to elect a black dude to show the world they are not racist.

[Siege]

I thought Siegy was a full-blown kibbutz-lover.  

Why would I be?
Kibbutz are not what you think they are.
They are capiltalist enterprises with employees, that runs hotels, rental cars, factories, etc.
Kibbutz members are but a minority of the manpower the kibbutzim are employing these days.
To be fair, the kibbutzim were the driving force behind the State of Israel during the early days.

[Siege]

It doesn't really matter, does it?

Obama is going to get re-elected barring some kind of complete disaster.

I think the oposite is more likely to occur.

[Siege]

I thought Siegy was a full-blown kibbutz-lover.  

A few years ago he was calling himself a tribal socialist or something similar.  I suspect that the men in his unit have been giving him ideas.

In my personal experience, socialism only works when there is a blood relationship and a sense of belonging in the community, hence the early Kibbutz success as oppoussed to state level socialist enterprises as the eastern block countries.

The moment you force an entire country to be socialist, you are leading your nation to disaster.
Socialism is not in human nature and people will cheat and live without working riding on others people backs.

[Siege]

And finally, keep in mind that I live in the US Army, which is nothing more than a socialist experiment.
We all get paid the same (based on rank) no matter if you are infantry or a cook.
It works because we do not create wealth directly, and live off the national taxes.
But is the US were to become a socialist society, who would we tax to pay for all the expenses?
The rest of the world?
Unlikely.

[Viking]

siegy, I still want to hear from you why you think obama is an extreme leftist rather than the centrist his policies would suggest?

[Razgovory]

I hate socialism BECAUSE I come from a socialist society.
It doesn't WORK.

Israel seems to work fairly well.

[Razgovory]

Obama won because he played to race card.
Americans wanted to elect a black dude to show the world they are not racist.

This is simply untrue.  Obama made it a point not to play the race card, which was a major reason for him winning.

[Siege]

Obama won because he played to race card.
Americans wanted to elect a black dude to show the world they are not racist.

This is simply untrue.  Obama made it a point not to play the race card, which was a major reason for him winning.

Don't be naive. It is impossible in a society as racially charged as the US to not play the "race card".
And by racially charged I don't mean something negative.
Americans are racially aware, wheather lefty or righty, wheather trying to be colorblind or not.
All americans say race doesn't matter, yet they always want to be seen as accepting of minorities, sorrounded with them.
In my opinion americans are VERY racially aware, and voting for a black president made them feel good inside, as if they were liberated of the evils of the past. The guilty conscience of white americans was what gave Obama the White House.

[Admiral Yi]

That's different than saying Obama played the race cared Seeb.

[Siege]

That's different than saying Obama played the race cared Seeb.

I see your point.
Let me rephrase. Obama profited in the election by being black, regardless of wheather he played the race card or not.
Now, this was a one time event. Only the first black american to run in the finals got this boost.
He ain't gonna get this the next election.
Americans have cleansed the guilty consciences and next time they will vote for whomever they think will fix the economy regardless of race.

[CountDeMoney]

It doesn't really matter, does it?

Obama is going to get re-elected barring some kind of complete disaster.

Not so fast, my friend.
You may get your abolition of most Federal departments yet.  Nothing is for certain.

[Eddie Teach]

Americans don't give a shit about showing the world we're not racist. Or anything else for that matter. Damn furriners. 

Obama won because the economy sucked and Bush got the blame for it.