2012=1860?

[Ideologue]

WTF is up with that map?  The WESTERN TERRITORIES were still part of the United States.

[Palisadoes]

WTF is up with that map?  The WESTERN TERRITORIES were still part of the United States.

Didn't those areas not have statehood granted?

[Slargos]

And retard map shows up again

If you just learn to accept the inevitable instead of fear it, things will go a lot more smoothly for you.

We aren't Scandinavians.  Half our country doesn't just walk off.

Which is a bit disturbing, given that you popularly claim to have invented modern democracy, yet have such a hatred for self-determination.

The Swedish monarchy meanwhile, or in American terms old world despotism, managed to settle a nationalist independence movement without a single shot fired.

Funny how things work out.

Even funnier how you also cheered on the Kosovo rebellion.

I guess as the old saying goes, everything is so big in America that double-standards simply aren't enough. You need tripple-standards. Preferably super-sized.

[garbon]

And retard map shows up again

If you just learn to accept the inevitable instead of fear it, things will go a lot more smoothly for you.

Seems intellectually lazy. If the US splits it won't be conveniently upon old state lines.

[Slargos]

And retard map shows up again

If you just learn to accept the inevitable instead of fear it, things will go a lot more smoothly for you.

Seems intellectually lazy. If the US splits it won't be conveniently upon old state lines.

Look. He's a professor. Are you a professor?

[Ed Anger]

Didn't those areas not have statehood granted?

Nope. Still territories.

[Ed Anger]

And retard map shows up again

If you just learn to accept the inevitable instead of fear it, things will go a lot more smoothly for you.

Seems intellectually lazy. If the US splits it won't be conveniently upon old state lines.

Look. He's a professor. Are you a professor?

I am.

[Ideologue]

And retard map shows up again

If you just learn to accept the inevitable instead of fear it, things will go a lot more smoothly for you.

We aren't Scandinavians.  Half our country doesn't just walk off.

Which is a bit disturbing, given that you popularly claim to have invented modern democracy, yet have such a hatred for self-determination.

The Swedish monarchy meanwhile, or in American terms old world despotism, managed to settle a nationalist independence movement without a single shot fired.

Funny how things work out.

Even funnier how you also cheered on the Kosovo rebellion.

I guess as the old saying goes, everything is so big in America that double-standards simply aren't enough. You need tripple-standards. Preferably super-sized.

Self-determination is an abomination.  There are times when rebellion against the government is justified, e.g. Kosovo, but self-determination is not sufficient in itself.

This is why the Scots are scum, free-riding on the stability the UK has provided them, the geological resources they've lucked into, and the defensive umbrella of the Royal Navy.  I hope if the independence movement ever wins a referendum, the UK simply glasses Edinburgh with a Trident.

[garbon]

And retard map shows up again

If you just learn to accept the inevitable instead of fear it, things will go a lot more smoothly for you.

Seems intellectually lazy. If the US splits it won't be conveniently upon old state lines.

Look. He's a professor. Are you a professor?

Sure.

[Razgovory]

Which is a bit disturbing, given that you popularly claim to have invented modern democracy, yet have such a hatred for self-determination.

The Swedish monarchy meanwhile, or in American terms old world despotism, managed to settle a nationalist independence movement without a single shot fired.

Funny how things work out.

Even funnier how you also cheered on the Kosovo rebellion.

I guess as the old saying goes, everything is so big in America that double-standards simply aren't enough. You need tripple-standards. Preferably super-sized.

What you don't understand is that Americans have balls.  Something sadly lacking amongst European males.

[Slargos]

And retard map shows up again

If you just learn to accept the inevitable instead of fear it, things will go a lot more smoothly for you.

We aren't Scandinavians.  Half our country doesn't just walk off.

Which is a bit disturbing, given that you popularly claim to have invented modern democracy, yet have such a hatred for self-determination.

The Swedish monarchy meanwhile, or in American terms old world despotism, managed to settle a nationalist independence movement without a single shot fired.

Funny how things work out.

Even funnier how you also cheered on the Kosovo rebellion.

I guess as the old saying goes, everything is so big in America that double-standards simply aren't enough. You need tripple-standards. Preferably super-sized.

Self-determination is an abomination.  There are times when rebellion against the government is justified, e.g. Kosovo, but self-determination is not sufficient in itself.

This is why the Scots are scum, free-riding on the stability the UK has provided them, the geological resources they've lucked into, and the defensive umbrella of the Royal Navy.  I hope if the independence movement ever wins a referendum, the UK simply glasses Edinburgh with a Trident.

So basically, anyone you think is evil. Don't you think that's a little bit weird? A little bit psycho?

[garbon]

I don't think the Scots are evil (not in the least) but I also don't support their independence.

[Ideologue]

Why do you love Milosevic, Slargos?

But seriously, I've always found self-determination to be something of a bottomless pit.  It claims to have moral backing, but it fails in two respects:

1)its ultimate outcome is anarchy.  A planet full of city-states--as trust and mutuality erode, subordinate polities remove themselves from the nation, either because they feel it's best for them, or because they feel that others plan on betraying them first.
2)it is an unforgivable abdication of the government's responsibility to protect its loyal citizens.  I should never have to move should 55% of South Carolinians wish to secede.

[Ed Anger]

skane is danish.

[Ideologue]

I don't think the Scots are evil (not in the least) but I also don't support their independence.

I only use the Scots example because every Scot I have ever spoken to holds to at least one abhorrent idea, relating to their stupid fake nationalism, and often more than one.