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Started by Kleves, July 23, 2011, 03:45:12 PM

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Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the most overrated of them all?

Jefferson
2 (3.9%)
TR
1 (2%)
FDR
9 (17.6%)
Truman
3 (5.9%)
JFK
10 (19.6%)
Reagan
20 (39.2%)
Bush I
0 (0%)
Clinton
2 (3.9%)
Other
4 (7.8%)

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Kleves

July 23, 2011, 03:45:12 PM
Well? And I don't want to hear any "Lincoln, squee!" :contract:
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MadImmortalMan

#1
July 23, 2011, 03:56:25 PM
Almost all Presidents are underrated IMO.

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Admiral Yi

#2
July 23, 2011, 04:00:22 PM
Dutch and Bubba.

Ideologue

#3
July 23, 2011, 04:03:40 PM
Oh, hard.  I chose Jefferson, with JFK as a runner-up.

I don't really see Reagan as particularly highly rated.  He's lionized in certain circles, but he's widely despised as well.
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Eddie Teach

#4
July 23, 2011, 05:28:06 PM
Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Kennedy.
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Habbaku

#5
July 23, 2011, 05:39:05 PM
FDR.  Truman as a second.
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dps

#6
July 23, 2011, 05:40:58 PM
Wilson.

Razgovory

#7
July 23, 2011, 05:43:02 PM
Reagan easily.  The Reagan cult is really strange, in particular because it is so divorced from the real Reagan.
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grumbler

#8
July 23, 2011, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on July 23, 2011, 05:39:05 PM
FDR.  Truman as a second.
Agree on the first, disagree on the second.  Truman did a pretty good job playing the hand he was dealt.

I'd argue the Shrub as the second-most over-rated president. 

Dave is the most under-rated President.

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grumbler

#9
July 23, 2011, 05:46:21 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 23, 2011, 05:43:02 PM
Reagan easily.  The Reagan cult is really strange, in particular because it is so divorced from the real Reagan.
First-term Reagan was one of the greats.  Second-term Reagan was a senile fool.
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Ideologue

#10
July 23, 2011, 06:01:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 23, 2011, 05:43:02 PM
Reagan easily.  The Reagan cult is really strange, in particular because it is so divorced from the real Reagan.

That's what I mean--overrated by whom?  The people who overrate Reagan are basically subhuman.

Whereas everyone loves that slaveowning tyrant Jefferson because he plagiarized Locke and wrote Bible fan fiction.
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DGuller

#11
July 23, 2011, 06:02:35 PM
Andrew Johnson is probably the most overrated president by far.

Razgovory

#12
July 23, 2011, 06:12:12 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 23, 2011, 05:46:21 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 23, 2011, 05:43:02 PM
Reagan easily.  The Reagan cult is really strange, in particular because it is so divorced from the real Reagan.
First-term Reagan was one of the greats.  Second-term Reagan was a senile fool.

What was so great about the first term?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ed Anger

#13
July 23, 2011, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 23, 2011, 06:12:12 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 23, 2011, 05:46:21 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 23, 2011, 05:43:02 PM
Reagan easily.  The Reagan cult is really strange, in particular because it is so divorced from the real Reagan.
First-term Reagan was one of the greats.  Second-term Reagan was a senile fool.

What was so great about the first term?

He wasn't Jimmy Carter.
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Razgovory

#14
July 23, 2011, 06:15:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 23, 2011, 06:13:03 PM


He wasn't Jimmy Carter.

In many ways he was.  The deregulation trend started under Carter and so did the arming of the Muhajeedeen in Afghanistan.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017
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