Football (Soccer) Thread

[Sheilbh]

https://twitter.com/Orbinho/status/1384063188216414212?s=19

Major Honours in the Last 30 years (League, main cup, Europe)

🇮🇹 AC Milan 15
🇮🇹 Inter 13
🇮🇹 Juventus 23

🇪🇸 Atletico 11
🇪🇸 Barcelona 38
🇪🇸 Real Madrid 29

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Arsenal 13
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Liverpool 11
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Man City 6
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Man Utd 23
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Chelsea 17
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Tottenham 0

End this League Cup erasure

[Tamas]

Most of the things you guys are listing just sounds like rallying against continued growth and modernisation of a form of entertainment.

If you want local stuff and you claim you don't care about the fluff and commercialisation, I am sure there are Sunday leagues and amateur clubs in your area to switch your attention to.

Maybe the Super League will be an aborted attempt in the way out of nation-state era boomer football, but progress out of it won't stop.

Previous steps like the Bossman-rule (sp?) resulted in similar outcries but the overall changes they resulted in have raised the quality of the game. This line of progress (again, not necessarily this attempt at it) will have the same result.

[The Larch]

Apparently not even the founding clubs will split money equitatively amongst them. It seems that the 3.5 billion € that they'll split each year will be in the following basis:

- 6 teams would get 350 millions.
- 4 teams would get 225 millions.
- 2 teams would get 112.5 millions.
- 3 teams would get 100 millions.

[The Larch]

Ceferin, UEFA's president, has just stated that players taking part in the ESL would not be allowed to play for their national teams.

[Sheilbh]

Most of the things you guys are listing just sounds like rallying against continued growth and modernisation of a form of entertainment.

If you can't be romantic and misty-eyed about sport, what's the point

If you want local stuff and you claim you don't care about the fluff and commercialisation, I am sure there are Sunday leagues and amateur clubs in your area to switch your attention to.

My local non-league club is very prominent as a hipster club - even had a Guardian article or two about them. They're frankly probably more commercially savvy than Everton

[Sheilbh]

Ceferin, UEFA's president, has just stated that players taking part in the ESL would not be allowed to play for their national teams.

Unrelated to this but Ander Herrera has come out against this which I think is the first statement by a current player - and good to see, always like him

[Tamas]

Ceferin, UEFA's president, has just stated that players taking part in the ESL would not be allowed to play for their national teams.

Players in ESL:

[The Larch]

Most of the things you guys are listing just sounds like rallying against continued growth and modernisation of a form of entertainment.

If you can't be romantic and misty-eyed about sport, what's the point

You're talking with a Chelsea supporter, after all. 

[Josephus]

You should also have a preliminary round, so that the, say, Latvian champions aren't playing Real Madrid in the first round. Weed out the minnows to 3-4 teams.

There are already several preliminary rounds in the Champions League. There are 3 or 4 qualification rounds before the group stage.

Yes. I'm talking about how if you are restructuring to only have just one team from each country; to keep preliminary rounds in place.

[Tamas]

Most of the things you guys are listing just sounds like rallying against continued growth and modernisation of a form of entertainment.

If you can't be romantic and misty-eyed about sport, what's the point

You're talking with a Chelsea supporter, after all. 

2004 called, they want their shtick back

[Josephus]

The other problem, I have, with the ESL replacing the Champions League is that there will be no more point in fighting on if you're out of league contention. For instance, Liverpool this year. What's the rush to get fourth place. I know there's some prize money, but getting to the ECL is key.

[The Larch]

You should also have a preliminary round, so that the, say, Latvian champions aren't playing Real Madrid in the first round. Weed out the minnows to 3-4 teams.

There are already several preliminary rounds in the Champions League. There are 3 or 4 qualification rounds before the group stage.

Yes. I'm talking about how if you only have just one team from each country.

Ah, ok, didn't get that part. In any case minnows should still have the chance to play against the top clubs and even get an upset.

[Sheilbh]

Players in ESL:

Flipside - if you took away players from the ESL clubs. Who would in a World Cup or the Euros? Given the German clubs' stance Germany would probably do very well even given their current issues. Off the top of my head France, England and maybe Brazil would be pretty badly hurt.

I'm also not sure that players would choose a new competition with no heritage v the Euros or World Cup. It might depend on country as well but there are definitely players and countries where playing for the national team is the biggest thing.

[The Larch]

The other problem, I have, with the ESL replacing the Champions League is that there will be no more point in fighting on if you're out of league contention. For instance, Liverpool this year. What's the rush to get fourth place. I know there's some prize money, but getting to the ECL is key.

Well, nothing has been said about the Europa League...

[Tamas]

Players in ESL:

Flipside - if you took away players from the ESL clubs. Who would in a World Cup or the Euros? Given the German clubs' stance Germany would probably do very well even given their current issues. Off the top of my head France, England and maybe Brazil would be pretty badly hurt.

I'm also not sure that players would choose a new competition with no heritage v the Euros or World Cup. It might depend on country as well but there are definitely players and countries where playing for the national team is the biggest thing.

The players would have to choose between their lucrative contracts and bi-annual competitions. Doesn't seem like a tough choie.