Football (Soccer) Thread

[Grey Fox]

And that situation, you want the MLS to join?

I wish Don Garber wouldn't let MLS teams sell players outside the NA system.

Um, that would work well with the players union. "Sorry, I know Chelsea are willing to pay you $12 million, but alas you have to stay with DC United and get $3 million."

Probably not even legal.

That is how any other pro league in NA works.

Also, I am not saying players can't go, I am saying the teams shouldn't profit from it.

Why shouldn't a team profit from player sales?

Because it incensitize selling players.

Why are you against player selling?

The notion that players are a commodity rubs me the wrong way.

Revenue streams that comes from anything but winning are bad.

[The Larch]

And that situation, you want the MLS to join?

I wish Don Garber wouldn't let MLS teams sell players outside the NA system.

Um, that would work well with the players union. "Sorry, I know Chelsea are willing to pay you $12 million, but alas you have to stay with DC United and get $3 million."

Probably not even legal.

That is how any other pro league in NA works.

Also, I am not saying players can't go, I am saying the teams shouldn't profit from it.

Why shouldn't a team profit from player sales?

Because it incensitize selling players.

Why are you against player selling?

The notion that players are a commodity rubs me the wrong way.

Revenue streams that comes from anything but winning are bad.

As if players weren't commodities in American sports, even more so when they don't even have a say in their trades, most of the time.

[Grey Fox]

As if players weren't commodities in American sports, even more so when they don't even have a say in their trades, most of the time.

It is not a perfect system either but the trading system is atleast a CBA approved mechanism.

[The Larch]

As if players weren't commodities in American sports, even more so when they don't even have a say in their trades, most of the time.

It is not a perfect system either but the trading system is atleast a CBA approved mechanism.

CBA?

[Grey Fox]

As if players weren't commodities in American sports, even more so when they don't even have a say in their trades, most of the time.

It is not a perfect system either but the trading system is atleast a CBA approved mechanism.

CBA?

Collective Bargaining Agreement

[Tamas]

As if players weren't commodities in American sports, even more so when they don't even have a say in their trades, most of the time.

It is not a perfect system either but the trading system is atleast a CBA approved mechanism.

CBA?

Collective Bargaining Agreement

COMMUNISM

[Josephus]

And that situation, you want the MLS to join?

I wish Don Garber wouldn't let MLS teams sell players outside the NA system.

Um, that would work well with the players union. "Sorry, I know Chelsea are willing to pay you $12 million, but alas you have to stay with DC United and get $3 million."

Probably not even legal.

That is how any other pro league in NA works.

Also, I am not saying players can't go, I am saying the teams shouldn't profit from it.

Why shouldn't a team profit from player sales?

Because it incensitize selling players.

Why are you against player selling?

The notion that players are a commodity rubs me the wrong way.

Revenue streams that comes from anything but winning are bad.

Winning doesn't bring any revenue, in any sport. REvenues, for the most part, come from TV rights and marketing.

Case in point: Toronto Maple Leafs.

[Barrister]

Winning doesn't bring any revenue, in any sport. REvenues, for the most part, come from TV rights and marketing.

Case in point: Toronto Maple Leafs.

I know as a Leafs fan that you may not be used to winning, but winning certainly does bring in revenue.  Players earn the same salary whether they're out after the regular season, or go on to win the cup.  As such any playoff ticket sales are pure profit for teams - there's no extra expense in player salaries.

[Josquius]

Not quite true. In the lower leagues prize money is a big deal. The place a team finishes in the Premier league is also a huge income determiner via domestic TV right payments and for the top teams European  right payments.  Failure to qualify for Europe is what ultimately led to Leeds going into financial meltdown.
Though this is also part of why cup competitions in England aren't as significant as they once were. With the league Cup in particular, it's so much more rewarding to finish slightly higher in the league than actually win a trophy.

[Josephus]

Winning doesn't bring any revenue, in any sport. REvenues, for the most part, come from TV rights and marketing.

Case in point: Toronto Maple Leafs.

I know as a Leafs fan that you may not be used to winning, but winning certainly does bring in revenue.  Players earn the same salary whether they're out after the regular season, or go on to win the cup.  As such any playoff ticket sales are pure profit for teams - there's no extra expense in player salaries.

My point is the Leafs are the second most profitable team in the NHL. They haven't won anything since the Beatles released Sergeant Pepper

[Barrister]

Winning doesn't bring any revenue, in any sport. REvenues, for the most part, come from TV rights and marketing.

Case in point: Toronto Maple Leafs.

I know as a Leafs fan that you may not be used to winning, but winning certainly does bring in revenue.  Players earn the same salary whether they're out after the regular season, or go on to win the cup.  As such any playoff ticket sales are pure profit for teams - there's no extra expense in player salaries.

My point is the Leafs are the second most profitable team in the NHL. They haven't won anything since the Beatles released Sergeant Pepper

Yes, but your words were "Winning doesn't bring any revenue, in any sport."  This was false.

Plus I couldn't resist the opportunity at a chance to trash talk Leaf fas.

[Josephus]

Plus I couldn't resist the opportunity at a chance to trash talk Leaf fas.

I noticed. 

[The Larch]

Winning doesn't bring any revenue, in any sport. REvenues, for the most part, come from TV rights and marketing.

Case in point: Toronto Maple Leafs.

I know as a Leafs fan that you may not be used to winning, but winning certainly does bring in revenue.  Players earn the same salary whether they're out after the regular season, or go on to win the cup.  As such any playoff ticket sales are pure profit for teams - there's no extra expense in player salaries.

I assume that players will have plenty of possible bonuses established in their contracts so, in case they make the playoffs, they'd be entitled to more money.

[Liep]

Group F has Portugal, France and Germany and some other poor country. They might all 3 go through though.

[Liep]

But it's a confusing draw. We get Belgium, Russia and Finland. Should be possible to get 4 points there.