Taliban in Swat

[Sheilbh]

This is of course incorrect.  It is perfectly natural for people to want to punish the other, especially the other that attacks everything that a man holds dear about himself.  The need to eliminate gays can also come from a kind of 'social fundamentalism', as it did throughout the West for many years between the death of Christianity and the rise of the gay social movements in the last 40 years.

This is true.  South Africa's an interesting country in this respect.  It's a country with very liberal and equal laws regarding homosexuality, sexual orientation is mentioned as protected from discrimination in the constitution and so on.  Basically because the ANC were a liberation movement who believed that liberation and equality must mean precisely that.

At the same time South Africa has a hugely homophobic population and culture (especially because homosexuals are seen as the originators of AIDS).  It's a country in which lesbians have been routinely raped, because lesbianism is because they've not been shown 'real' sex with 'real men' and gay men live under the threat of being beaten to death.  South Africa's not Nazi, it's not terribly religious and it's certainly not Muslim (actually, it's Muslim population overwhelmingly votes for the liberal DA).  South Africa's odd, though, because it is trying to use liberal government attitudes to nudge culture in the right direction.  Generally it's the other way round.

[Siege]

There are only 3 types of muslims.

- Terrorists
- Little Terrorists
- Terrorist factories.

[Siege]

I am beginning to agree with Huntington - a conflict between the West and Islam is inevitable.

Installing pro-West puppet tyrants (like Musharaf) is against our values, but when left to their own devices and allowed to make democratic choices, the majority of Muslims inevitably choose to live in societies that impose laws that are abhorrent to our values as well, and I cannot see how we could see them as our friends and allies, if they choose to stone women and throw gays off roofs. The only honorable and honest choice, consistent with our values, is war - perhaps a cold war, but war nonetheless.

I totally agree.

[Neil]

I am beginning to agree with Huntington - a conflict between the West and Islam is inevitable.

Installing pro-West puppet tyrants (like Musharaf) is against our values, but when left to their own devices and allowed to make democratic choices, the majority of Muslims inevitably choose to live in societies that impose laws that are abhorrent to our values as well, and I cannot see how we could see them as our friends and allies, if they choose to stone women and throw gays off roofs. The only honorable and honest choice, consistent with our values, is war - perhaps a cold war, but war nonetheless.

I totally agree.

You'd be on the other side, barbarian.

[Siege]

I am beginning to agree with Huntington - a conflict between the West and Islam is inevitable.

Installing pro-West puppet tyrants (like Musharaf) is against our values, but when left to their own devices and allowed to make democratic choices, the majority of Muslims inevitably choose to live in societies that impose laws that are abhorrent to our values as well, and I cannot see how we could see them as our friends and allies, if they choose to stone women and throw gays off roofs. The only honorable and honest choice, consistent with our values, is war - perhaps a cold war, but war nonetheless.

I totally agree.

You'd be on the other side, barbarian.

I AM NOT A BARBARIAN!

[Neil]

I AM NOT A BARBARIAN!

You really are.  Your attitude towards women is positively Dark Ages.

[Queequeg]

There are only 3 types of muslims.

- Terrorists
- Little Terrorists
- Terrorist factories.

[Siege]

Queenfag, who are those?

Averros, who was very unmuslim, and who else?
Some chick that happen to be of arabic ethnicity but have nothing to do with Islam?

[Queequeg]

Averros is about as un-Muslim as you are un-Jewish.

That's Queen Rania, she's Muslim and she is wonderful.

[Siege]

If Averros were alive today, he would have quit Islam so long ago...

Come on dude, we are talking of a guy that admired greek clasical philosophy.

[Iormlund]

Gotta side with Siege on that one.

I wouldn't put forward Lebanon as an example either. It is a failed state born after a disastrous civil war where Iran/Syria/Hezbollah has the real power.

[MadImmortalMan]

That's one nice-looking terrorist factory.

[Siege]

That's one nice-looking terrorist factory.

Only until you feel the pain of muslim terrorism.

[Ancient Demon]

That's one nice-looking terrorist factory.

Only until you feel the pain of muslim terrorism.

Oh stop it. Queen Rania isn't a terrorist factory.

[Eochaid]

Mart, how does it feel to see that Siegy is the ONLY person who agrees with you.

Kevin