We've always been at war with Eurasia

[Slargos]

So you think Sweden will never change its immigration policies?

I don't know. I certainly hope so.

The last 20 years have seen an almost unbroken increase, and the outspoken policy of Swedish governments since 1975 has been that Sweden "shall be a multicultural society". This was a decision made by politicians, and has only seen broad public support after 30 years of deliberate propaganda.

[Slargos]

I don't have time to get detailed, but a quick google search reveals that in 2001 the Swedish population increased by about 32000.

Of this, 31000 was immigration while the rest was the net difference between births and deaths.

Numbers speak for themselves.

The 2010 natural population increase in Sweden was 25,154.*  The total population increase was roughly 80,000*.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden, supposedly translated from http://www.scb.se/, which I cannot independently verify.

Total refugee immigrants in 2010 were 9,901.   
http://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.46b604a812cbcdd7dba80008288/Beviljade+uppeh%C3%A5llstillst%C3%A5nd+och+registrerade+uppeh%C3%A5llsr%C3%A4tter+2010.pdf

Again, how do these 9,901 people outbreed the non-gay Swedes?

I see that you blithely ignore the column for "family reunification" which is almost exclusively family members of "refugees" and other immigrants.

[Neil]

I see no schtick.

Besides, dreadnoughts are good.  Very good.

But dreadnoughts without democracy = loud violent Krauts with spiked helments and Rollie Fingers mustaches.

You really need both.

Or even worse, an unfortunate hexagonal turret arrangement.

I suppose if you restrict the franchise a bit, you end up with beautiful dreadnoughts like the Queen Elizabeths, so I guess some form of democracy is alright.

[Valmy]

The last 20 years have seen an almost unbroken increase, and the outspoken policy of Swedish governments since 1975 has been that Sweden "shall be a multicultural society". This was a decision made by politicians, and has only seen broad public support after 30 years of deliberate propaganda.

If they want it to be a multicultural society they need to start by changing the name of the country.  I suggest Social Democratia.

[grumbler]

I see that you blithely ignore the column for "family reunification" which is almost exclusively family members of "refugees" and other immigrants.

You see... poorly.  I don't "ignore" anything.  I simply don't include irrelevant facts.  Of course "family reunification" is almost exclusively family members of immigrants.  Duh!

[Slargos]

I see that you blithely ignore the column for "family reunification" which is almost exclusively family members of "refugees" and other immigrants.

You see... poorly.  I don't "ignore" anything.  I simply don't include irrelevant facts.  Of course "family reunification" is almost exclusively family members of immigrants.  Duh!

There's nothing "of course" about it, but I'll leave it to you to sort out the implications of that, if you can.

Given how intelligent and educated you are, it shouldn't be difficult.

[derspiess]

I read somewhere a few weeks ago that when the State Dept. started mandating DNA testing for "family reunification"-type refugees, they found about 80% of Somali "family members" to be fraudulent.

[Slargos]

I read somewhere a few weeks ago that when the State Dept. started mandating DNA testing for "family reunification"-type refugees, they found about 80% of Somali "family members" to be fraudulent.

Much the same is the case in Norway even if I don't think DNA testing is allowed yet. Of course, any attempts to introduce the same system in Sweden has been blocked with the argument that it is "invasive to their privacy". Finger printing is apparently also a horrible breach of human rights. They are scarred for life by the act of mistrusting them.

To think that you'd come from a warzone, having been tortured and raped over a thousand times and having had 15 of your 25 children killed in front of your eyes, and then having your story questioned by racist immigrations officials? The nerve. These people need our guiding and comforting hand, not the spanish inquisition! 

[Duque de Bragança]

I read somewhere a few weeks ago that when the State Dept. started mandating DNA testing for "family reunification"-type refugees, they found about 80% of Somali "family members" to be fraudulent.

That would explain why the "immigrationist lobby" is against it in France as well and successfully vetoed it

[grumbler]

There's nothing "of course" about it... 

  For non-morons, it is absolutely "of course."  The exception is for spouses of native-born citizens, which is a small percentage of any nation's immigrants (seems to be less than 5% for the US, unknown, apparently, for Sweden). 

[grumbler]

I read somewhere a few weeks ago that when the State Dept. started mandating DNA testing for "family reunification"-type refugees, they found about 80% of Somali "family members" to be fraudulent.

That would explain why the "immigrationist lobby" is against it in France as well and successfully vetoed it

How many Somalis does France take in?

[Mr.Penguin]

I read somewhere a few weeks ago that when the State Dept. started mandating DNA testing for "family reunification"-type refugees, they found about 80% of Somali "family members" to be fraudulent.

Much the same is the case in Norway even if I don't think DNA testing is allowed yet. Of course, any attempts to introduce the same system in Sweden has been blocked with the argument that it is "invasive to their privacy". Finger printing is apparently also a horrible breach of human rights. They are scarred for life by the act of mistrusting them.

To think that you'd come from a warzone, having been tortured and raped over a thousand times and having had 15 of your 25 children killed in front of your eyes, and then having your story questioned by racist immigrations officials? The nerve. These people need our guiding and comforting hand, not the spanish inquisition! 

Luckily have we here in Denmark seen through that scam years ago, DNA testing is required by select group of immigrants/refugees, including Somalis...

By the way, Somalis is one of the few immigrant/refugee groups in Denmark that declining in numbers... 

[Slargos]

I read somewhere a few weeks ago that when the State Dept. started mandating DNA testing for "family reunification"-type refugees, they found about 80% of Somali "family members" to be fraudulent.

Much the same is the case in Norway even if I don't think DNA testing is allowed yet. Of course, any attempts to introduce the same system in Sweden has been blocked with the argument that it is "invasive to their privacy". Finger printing is apparently also a horrible breach of human rights. They are scarred for life by the act of mistrusting them.

To think that you'd come from a warzone, having been tortured and raped over a thousand times and having had 15 of your 25 children killed in front of your eyes, and then having your story questioned by racist immigrations officials? The nerve. These people need our guiding and comforting hand, not the spanish inquisition! 

Luckily have we here in Denmark seen through that scam years ago, DNA testing is required by select group of immigrants/refugees, including Somalis...

By the way, Somalis is one of the few immigrant/refugee groups in Denmark that declining in numbers...

Probably moving to Sweden and being numbered among "Danes". 

[Mr.Penguin]

I read somewhere a few weeks ago that when the State Dept. started mandating DNA testing for "family reunification"-type refugees, they found about 80% of Somali "family members" to be fraudulent.

Much the same is the case in Norway even if I don't think DNA testing is allowed yet. Of course, any attempts to introduce the same system in Sweden has been blocked with the argument that it is "invasive to their privacy". Finger printing is apparently also a horrible breach of human rights. They are scarred for life by the act of mistrusting them.

To think that you'd come from a warzone, having been tortured and raped over a thousand times and having had 15 of your 25 children killed in front of your eyes, and then having your story questioned by racist immigrations officials? The nerve. These people need our guiding and comforting hand, not the spanish inquisition! 

Luckily have we here in Denmark seen through that scam years ago, DNA testing is required by select group of immigrants/refugees, including Somalis...

By the way, Somalis is one of the few immigrant/refugee groups in Denmark that declining in numbers...

Probably moving to Sweden and being numbered among "Danes". 

They are moving to England, as they believe that the Brits are tolerant of their lifestyle... 

[Razgovory]

You know, now that I think about it, I went to high school with an Eritrean.  He seemed okay.  Very quite and studious.  As opposed to the Scandi I went to school with who fucking broke my arm.