When Does A Given American Jailbird Typically Get To Stretch Their Wings ?

[The Minsky Moment]

Really? The US has laws that allow the state to confiscate the property used in a crime, even if the owner is not criminally responsible? Whatever happened to sanctity of property? 

Sacrificed at the altar of the drug war.

An "innocent owner" is protected from forfeiture.  But the innocent owner has the burden of proving their status.  And "innocent owner" doesn't just mean the owner was not criminally responsible; the owner also has to prove that either they knew nothing about the criminal activity, or that they took all reasonable steps to prevent the use of the property for criminal purposes.

[Razgovory]

You have to be pretty depraved to rape a parrot.

[Slargos]

The reality is that no sane State government wants to release rapists back into society. New York has even started using Mental Hygene laws to prevent the release of certain sex offenders once they have finished their required sentences. The reason is that most violent rapists will rape again. It's just how their brains are wired and nothing can change it. Therapy, Chemical Castration, and other methods just aren't effective enough to protect public safety. The chances are good that she is setting herself up to be one of his next victims.


Note: Yes, chemical castration will reduce the ability to get erect but not the desire. We had a rapist on chemical castration drugs who couldn't get it up for his next victim, so he killed her parrot and used that. And, we have another out now who doesn't use his penis, he reaches inside with his hand and pulls their utereus inside out.

Wow. I did not need that mental image. Is that even possible?

[DGuller]

Strix has a record of passing along urban legends even on topics relating to his work.  Therefore, a very healthy dose of skepticism is appropriate.

[Razgovory]

Strix has a record of passing along urban legends even on topics relating to his work.  Therefore, a very healthy dose of skepticism is appropriate.

Thanks for reminding me.  Grain of salt: taken.

[DGuller]

Strix has a record of passing along urban legends even on topics relating to his work.  Therefore, a very healthy dose of skepticism is appropriate.

No, these would be case files of real sex offenders. Not Urban legends. The DGullers of the world love to put things like this down as "urban myths" so that they don't have to consider just how bad humanity can act.

I don't know whether the case you're talking about is real or not.  I can just go by your reputation.  You have in the past falled victim to urban legends that you should've professionally known better about, such as kids have "pill parties".  Maybe the case you're talking about is real, I just have no faith in your bullshit filtering skills.

[Strix]

Strix has a record of passing along urban legends even on topics relating to his work.  Therefore, a very healthy dose of skepticism is appropriate.

[Slargos]

[Strix]

Strix has a record of passing along urban legends even on topics relating to his work.  Therefore, a very healthy dose of skepticism is appropriate.

No, these would be case files of real sex offenders. Not Urban legends. The DGullers of the world love to put things like this down as "urban myths" so that they don't have to consider just how bad humanity can act.

I don't know whether the case you're talking about is real or not.  I can just go by your reputation.  You have in the past falled victim to urban legends that you should've professionally known better about, such as kids have "pill parties".  Maybe the case you're talking about is real, I just have no faith in your bullshit filtering skills.

That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even. And, I am sure that the two people I have on parole for the next two years would be thrilled to know that their crime was a bullshit "urban legend". Maybe they can use that as a basis to appeal their remaining post release supervision. 

[Valmy]

That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even. And, I am sure that the two people I have on parole for the next two years would be thrilled to know that their crime was a bullshit "urban legend". Maybe they can use that as a basis to appeal their remaining post release supervision. 

Pretty sure DGuller was not claiming violent rape itself is an urban legend.

[DGuller]

That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even.

That's fine, nothing in this thread rests on my thinking abilities, so that's not very relevant to the discussion.

[DGuller]

That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even. And, I am sure that the two people I have on parole for the next two years would be thrilled to know that their crime was a bullshit "urban legend". Maybe they can use that as a basis to appeal their remaining post release supervision. 

Pretty sure DGuller was not claiming violent rape itself is an urban legend.

Maybe supervising people who rip out uteruses through vagina is his specialty.

[Strix]

That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even. And, I am sure that the two people I have on parole for the next two years would be thrilled to know that their crime was a bullshit "urban legend". Maybe they can use that as a basis to appeal their remaining post release supervision. 

Pretty sure DGuller was not claiming violent rape itself is an urban legend.

I'd hope not but you never can tell with him.

[Strix]

That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even. And, I am sure that the two people I have on parole for the next two years would be thrilled to know that their crime was a bullshit "urban legend". Maybe they can use that as a basis to appeal their remaining post release supervision. 

Pretty sure DGuller was not claiming violent rape itself is an urban legend.

I was discussing his so called "pill party" urban legend.

[Zanza]

It's just how their brains are wired and nothing can change it.

So what you say is that they have no control over their depravity? How can you be criminally responsible for a miswired brain?