World of Tanks

[HVC]

i'll try that kat. mostly just gone arty hunting off the bat, but i ran into a string of artyless games and used the ccr method of shit disturbing. even got someone to tk someone else as i ran around three medius. then i died. it was worth it

[CountDeMoney]

Great, HVC has become everything he hates.

[HVC]

All scouts must still die. only now i'm the one getting killed lol

[CountDeMoney]

Whelp, looks like the cooling fan for my video card got brewed.  WE'RE ON FIRE BAIL OUT

[Tamas]

I hate this fucking game.

[Martim Silva]

I'm sorry, but when I read these posts about WoT, this is how I picture you lot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kep4XrCfcp8

(Basically, World of Tanks: the Anime. Which shows that the PzIVD has... problems... against a Churchill III. Not to mention that the japanese Type 89B is utterly worthless and the gunner of the Pz38 (t) can't hit the side of a barn. And whoddathunk that the tracks of that tank came off so easily...)

[DGuller]

Pz IV with a short barrel knocking out Matlidas?  Color me unconvinced.

[Agelastus]

Pz IV with a short barrel knocking out Matlidas?  Color me unconvinced.

I was dubious when watching it myself, but I can't find any penetration data for such ridiculously short ranges.

[And goddammit, why do none of these basic websites tell you if the figure for armour penetrated is the actual thickness of the armour or the apparent thickness of the armour at the slope tested - I think it's the former but I could be wrong.]

Quick research suggests -

Various sources say German guns were tested by firing at (surprisingly high quality) plate sloped at 30 degrees or 60 degrees depending on site, none of which immediately state whether this is to the horizontal or the vertical. Logically that would suggest that the 30 degree figure is to the horizontal and the 60 degree figure is to the vertical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5_cm_KwK_37

The gun should penetrate 41mm of armour sloped at 30 degrees at 100m; given the Matilda's armour is vertical, that equates to, based on the Wikipedia page's formula*, to 82mm of penetration of vertical armour. The armour thickness of the Matilda's turret is 75mm according to Wikipedia - that of the Churchill 95mm (both figures for side armour, I believe.)

The anime shows the Matilda's turret penetrated but not the Churchill's, which is what the penetration tables suggest should happen.

I suspect "field performance" against the Matilda may have been worse - a lot worse; the shot should, just, penetrate at 500m which battlefield experience shows is not the case.

Still, at 10m? Yes, I think the shot would penetrate.


*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armour

[Martim Silva]

And for anyone who wants it, here is the mod in the WoT forums that lets you play as the anime characters' and tanks:

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/183240-girls-und-panzer-world-of-tanks-the-anime-mod-collection/

And yes, at a very close range, the PzIVD can pierce (barely) the side armor of a Mathilda II tank. The anime is very anal about these things

[C.C.R.]

LOL.  This one elited my BT-7 out for me...

[CountDeMoney]

BT-7 is a tough little bastard.  A lot of fun.

[DGuller]

Damn, Martim now has me watching tank anime.  This one is good, though it drags on a little in the middle:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA5IFJqjXiQ.

[DGuller]

Hey, Hetzers, can you beat this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uc4yVxigxE

[DGuller]

I started watching full English-subtitled episodes of Girls und Panzer.  That has got to be the most successful troll by Martim yet.

[CountDeMoney]

Take your Lettowism out of this thread.