Can one get serious career advise at languish?

[CountDeMoney]

(I used to work in tobacco and beer companies).

Ah. Death merchant then, huh?

[Valdemar]

(I used to work in tobacco and beer companies).

Ah. Death merchant then, huh?

yeah, i was considering medical or weapons next. Aren't many weapons facories in DEN though, apart from ships.

I consider consultancy almost a merc at times though

V

[CountDeMoney]

My brother-in-law is up for a lobbyist position with a well-known defense industry corporation.  I think I'm more excited about it than he is.

[bogh]

Hey Valdemar,

I'll echo the majority here - get out and take another consultancy gig if that's what's on offer (I know plenty of people who had your experience - namely that consultants mostly get pitched/headhunted to other consultancies).

While skipping about with short periods in each job can be a bad thing for your resume, going to another consultancy but a short while later deciding that you want out of the consultancy business is a pretty fair narrative that should work fine in an industry interview. Especially since most people working in industry like hearing a consultant confess that consultancy sucks and that someone wants out of it.

Any ideas on where you'd want to go? Any options where you've been previously?

[Valdemar]

Hey Valdemar,

I'll echo the majority here - get out and take another consultancy gig if that's what's on offer (I know plenty of people who had your experience - namely that consultants mostly get pitched/headhunted to other consultancies).

While skipping about with short periods in each job can be a bad thing for your resume, going to another consultancy but a short while later deciding that you want out of the consultancy business is a pretty fair narrative that should work fine in an industry interview. Especially since most people working in industry like hearing a consultant confess that consultancy sucks and that someone wants out of it.

Any ideas on where you'd want to go? Any options where you've been previously?

Well to a dane it isn't giving too much away to say the tobacco company doesn't have much business left in Denmark There only was one, and they are now british and have sent all production out of the country.

The beer thing, maybe, but not the kind of jobs I want. Issue partly is, I know what i want, and i can get the interviews, but I end up falling at the last interview to someone who has had the exact or close to exact position elsewhere, the safe bet if you will

V

[Valdemar]

Oh and the "other place" called back today, I've done good, so now they want references from former clients, assignments and possibly bosses 

I think this is their last ditch effort to find something wrong with me 

V

[dps]

Let me add my voice to those saying, "Get out".  From the sound of your post, you're miserable, and the problem is something that systematic to the company you work for, so it's not going to get better.  There's no point in waiting around for things to improve.

[Martinus]

If you're not happy about your present job situation then leave for something else. Change is generally for the better.

I was actually going to say something opposite. While change can be good for your mental health (at least in a short run), it is not necessarily for the better, especially if in the new job you do not have clear career prospects ahead of you.

Consider this - are you more likely to get promoted in your new job? If so, why? Consider also that, while you make dislike your current working environment, don't you already have some good grounding/know the "lay of the land" which you will need to learn anew in your new job.

In my experience (nb, I never switched jobs, but talking based on people I worked with who did ), changing your job is a no-brainer only in one of three cases:
- your position in your current job is untenable and it's clearly something endemic to your current firm (shithead boss who hates you and you can't switch positions within your organization), or
- your new job is clearly better (they pay you significantly more and/or you get an instant or quickly incoming promotion to a much higher position), or
- you simply hate your current job - but in this case it is probably better to switch to something more different from your current position (in your case, don't go to another big four/close competitor, but perhaps look for some boutique or similar agency - I don't know your market quite well, but in my line of work I knew people who switched from an international big M&A lawfirm to small "niche" specialist lawfirm, for that reason).

[Martinus]

Let me add my voice to those saying, "Get out".  From the sound of your post, you're miserable, and the problem is something that systematic to the company you work for, so it's not going to get better.  There's no point in waiting around for things to improve.

The question is whether what makes him miserable is just his current job/company or is this something about the industry he works with. If it is the latter, than switching jobs is just wasting time, money and energy.

[dps]

Let me add my voice to those saying, "Get out".  From the sound of your post, you're miserable, and the problem is something that systematic to the company you work for, so it's not going to get better.  There's no point in waiting around for things to improve.

The question is whether what makes him miserable is just his current job/company or is this something about the industry he works with. If it is the latter, than switching jobs is just wasting time, money and energy.

Yes, if it's systematic to the industry as a whole, not just his present employer, then switching jobs within the same industry makes little sense.

[Valdemar]

It is a combination, some of the factors that I hate about my job certainly is industry specific.

OTOH some of the things I love is also industry specific

On your list I can sign of on most points

I hate my bosses, and they seem to disregard me/my dep. and the "silo" thinking makes switching lanes harder in my company than industry in generel.

I get a better position and slight raise. I get a better supplementary packages (not much, but still better)
And from the talks I get better assignments due to the different position.

All answers here echo my exact dilema quite well. Is the shitty parts shitty enough to warrant a switch in and off themselves? Or is a switch to another company inthe same industry just going to be like peeing your pant`s? Warm for a short time only?

Time will tell

V

[Valdemar]

They have returned with an offer.

It is slightly higher than my current salary, but the pension scheme is way lower, making the total almost equal, and at the cost of my pension.

Now that i didn't expect....

And they raised a warning flag, at one of the 3 interviews i seemed unmotivated for the tasks ahead and underproductive  which they, rightly contributed to the situation where I'm currently at...

V

[Valdemar]

They have now mailed me. They have a contract ready that I can pick up and go over over the weekend.

I have a strange feeling in my stomach 

I think it is because I'll be leaving my comfort zone and a lot of good colleaques behind. And because their offer is better than what I have, but not THAT much better. I'll have to use some of the proceedings to finance my pensions in ways i didn't.

The assignments over there better be better 

V

[Caliga]

Good luck.

[CountDeMoney]

And they raised a warning flag, at one of the 3 interviews i seemed unmotivated for the tasks ahead and underproductive 

You're supposed to wait to get the job to act the Debbie Downer, not during the job interview.  But congrats anyway;  I would've turned you down.