Denmark to reinstate border controls to Germany, Sweden

Started by Syt, May 11, 2011, 10:09:56 PM

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grumbler

Quote from: Martinus on May 12, 2011, 02:31:22 AM
Well, what happens if a US state passes law that is contrary to the US constitution and the law is declared invalid by the Supreme Court, but the US state continues to enforce it? Does the US President send in the National Guard?
Not the National Guard, which is a state-level organization, but Federal troops.  This happened during the civil right era. 
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Liep

Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM
Reinstate border control in Denmark??. As usual when it comes to danish matters does the outside world misunderstand what is going on, I wonder if it's on purpose or that foreign journalists just are that stupid... :rolleyes:

It's DPP's fault with their retorics and talks about control at the borders.

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Quote from: Liep on May 12, 2011, 09:06:14 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM
Reinstate border control in Denmark??. As usual when it comes to danish matters does the outside world misunderstand what is going on, I wonder if it's on purpose or that foreign journalists just are that stupid... :rolleyes:

It's DPP's fault with their retorics and talks about control at the borders.

E.g.


They always aim high and settle for less, unfortunately doesnt the foreign media have the attention span to realize this...
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Martinus

Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM
Reinstate border control in Denmark??. As usual when it comes to danish matters does the outside world misunderstand what is going on, I wonder if it's on purpose or that foreign journalists just are that stupid... :rolleyes:

No, Denmark isnt about to reinstate border control, we are about to strengthening our custom service, in order to better combat cross border crime. This will mean extra man power to custom service and a more permanent present at the borders, including scanners to scan whole vehicles for illegal goods. The special police units that patrols the border areas, dealing with  illegal drugs and people smuggling, will also get more resources...

The goal is to bring the danish custom service up on the same level as the Swedish custom service. As a matter of fact the Swedish custom service have 300 officers in southern Sweden alone, mainly dealing with traffic coming from Denmark. While the danish custom service only have 185 officers deal with the whole country, including the borders, airports and ports...

At worse will ordinary travelers have endure an extra change of being subjected a random spot check at the danish border...     


So Denmark is not part of Schengen?

Martinus

Quote from: dps on May 12, 2011, 07:53:56 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 12, 2011, 02:28:21 AM
Quote from: Zanza2 on May 12, 2011, 01:57:32 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 11, 2011, 10:28:18 PM
Just a question.  Can the EU force it's members to follow the treaties they signed?  More broadly, how does the EU enforce any of it's laws?
The EU is built on consensus and is composed of sovereign states. If a country stops complying the worst that can happen is that the ECJ or EC fine the respective country (by withholding EU funds).

Well, that's not exactly true. A member state could also be suspended in its rights or even outright kicked out of the union for gross violations. Plus treaties are directly enforceable, which means every private or legal person harmed by a EU member state's failure to enforce its provisions can sue the state in breach for damages.

From the article, I'm not sure that it would be possible to demonstrate any actual damages from what Denmark is planning.  Unless merely being inconvenienced is considered an actionable damage.

Class action.

1. Send 10,000 lawyers with an hourly rate of $1,000 across the border.
2. Have them waste one hour on the border.
3. Sure for $10,000,000.  :cool:

grumbler

Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM
Reinstate border control in Denmark??. As usual when it comes to danish matters does the outside world misunderstand
Clearly, if the outside world all believes one thing, and you another, it is the outside world/foreign journalists that must be stupid.
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Quote from: Martinus on May 12, 2011, 10:23:29 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM
Reinstate border control in Denmark??. As usual when it comes to danish matters does the outside world misunderstand what is going on, I wonder if it's on purpose or that foreign journalists just are that stupid... :rolleyes:

No, Denmark isnt about to reinstate border control, we are about to strengthening our custom service, in order to better combat cross border crime. This will mean extra man power to custom service and a more permanent present at the borders, including scanners to scan whole vehicles for illegal goods. The special police units that patrols the border areas, dealing with  illegal drugs and people smuggling, will also get more resources...

The goal is to bring the danish custom service up on the same level as the Swedish custom service. As a matter of fact the Swedish custom service have 300 officers in southern Sweden alone, mainly dealing with traffic coming from Denmark. While the danish custom service only have 185 officers deal with the whole country, including the borders, airports and ports...

At worse will ordinary travelers have endure an extra change of being subjected a random spot check at the danish border...     


So Denmark is not part of Schengen?

Denmark is part of Schengen and this strengthening of the custom controls are well with in the Schengen agreement...
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Mr.Penguin

Quote from: grumbler on May 12, 2011, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM
Reinstate border control in Denmark??. As usual when it comes to danish matters does the outside world misunderstand
Clearly, if the outside world all believes one thing, and you another, it is the outside world/foreign journalists that must be stupid.

In this case, yes...
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Norgy

Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM

No, Denmark isnt about to reinstate border control, we are about to strengthening our custom service

What about the customs service's death camps?
I am sure the NSDAP also just wanted to "strengthen the customs service" by moving the border to the Urals.

Face it, Denmark = little fascist piglets.  :mad:



Slargos

Quote from: grumbler on May 12, 2011, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM
Reinstate border control in Denmark??. As usual when it comes to danish matters does the outside world misunderstand
Clearly, if the outside world all believes one thing, and you another, it is the outside world/foreign journalists that must be stupid.

Argumentum ad populum?

Really?

Weak.

garbon

Quote from: grumbler on May 12, 2011, 08:37:28 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 12, 2011, 02:31:22 AM
Well, what happens if a US state passes law that is contrary to the US constitution and the law is declared invalid by the Supreme Court, but the US state continues to enforce it? Does the US President send in the National Guard?
Not the National Guard, which is a state-level organization, but Federal troops.  This happened during the civil right era. 

Yeah, not a very good question on Mart's part.
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Quote from: Norgy on May 12, 2011, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM

No, Denmark isnt about to reinstate border control, we are about to strengthening our custom service

What about the customs service's death camps?
I am sure the NSDAP also just wanted to "strengthen the customs service" by moving the border to the Urals.

Face it, Denmark = little fascist piglets.  :mad:

As long as the barracks are kept bright cheerful colors are there no reason for complains. Also everyone will be provided with 300 grams of rye bread and a cup of einsatz coffee each day...   
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dps

Quote from: Norgy on May 12, 2011, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM

No, Denmark isnt about to reinstate border control, we are about to strengthening our custom service

Face it, Denmark = little fascist piglets.  :mad:


Oh, come on.  All you Scandies, as much as you try to pretend to be typical Commie Euroweenines, are closet Nazis.  Except Slargos, no closet there.  And Hortlund, but he doesn't count 'cause he doesn't post here anymore.

dps