Kid beat to death. [Graphic]

[Slargos]

Yeah, gang violence sucks. What is there to say?

Sure. It's just generic gang violence. Nothing more to remark here.

Could've just as well been a gang of white kids.

I you really don't think so, it just proves that you don't know shit about America.

Let me just clarify: Do you assert that white youth (and I mean white, not hispanic) are just as involved in gang violence per capita as black youth are?

[Slargos]

You don't want to hear what I have to comment.

I was particularly interested in your comment. I like a good laugh in the morning; spice up my day.

As if I'm hard to bait on this subject, you little runt. 

[dps]

Yeah, gang violence sucks. What is there to say?

Sure. It's just generic gang violence. Nothing more to remark here.

Could've just as well been a gang of white kids.

I you really don't think so, it just proves that you don't know shit about America.

Let me just clarify: Do you assert that white youth (and I mean white, not hispanic) are just as involved in gang violence per capita as black youth are?

No, I'm asserting that gang violence involving white youth gangs is not terribly uncommon.  Or, put another way, if someone were to show us a video, and tell us beforehand that it showed youth gang violence in America, we should not be surprised if the gang members in the video are white.

[Slargos]

Yeah, gang violence sucks. What is there to say?

Sure. It's just generic gang violence. Nothing more to remark here.

Could've just as well been a gang of white kids.

I you really don't think so, it just proves that you don't know shit about America.

Let me just clarify: Do you assert that white youth (and I mean white, not hispanic) are just as involved in gang violence per capita as black youth are?

No, I'm asserting that gang violence involving white youth gangs is not terribly uncommon.  Or, put another way, if someone were to show us a video, and tell us beforehand that it showed youth gang violence in America, we should not be surprised if the gang members in the video are white.

Sure, but I think the probability of it being blacks would be far higher.

Regardless, why do you then have a problem when I say that this is a black problem? "Whites also commit crime" doesn't change the fact that blacks are disproportionately represented in the prison population.

[dps]

Yeah, gang violence sucks. What is there to say?

Sure. It's just generic gang violence. Nothing more to remark here.

Could've just as well been a gang of white kids.

I you really don't think so, it just proves that you don't know shit about America.

Let me just clarify: Do you assert that white youth (and I mean white, not hispanic) are just as involved in gang violence per capita as black youth are?

No, I'm asserting that gang violence involving white youth gangs is not terribly uncommon.  Or, put another way, if someone were to show us a video, and tell us beforehand that it showed youth gang violence in America, we should not be surprised if the gang members in the video are white.

Sure, but I think the probability of it being blacks would be far higher.

Regardless, why do you then have a problem when I say that this is a black problem? "Whites also commit crime" doesn't change the fact that blacks are disproportionately represented in the prison population.

That just means that we aren't putting enough whites into prison.

[Slargos]

That just means that we aren't putting enough whites into prison.

See, this is where I think "colour-blindness" has simply gone off the deep end, when the urge to be "correct" has stunted our ability to discriminate where it's actually advantageous to do so. A good example is the recent Norwegian law that mandates all females of a certain age need to be screened for possible genital mutilation when the group at risk for this is very limited (more or less exclusively african) but the argument is that unless all girls are checked the at-risk groups will feel offended. I don't recall if it was ever put into effect, or whether it was and subsequently rescinded, but I do recall that it was a hot issue and specifically the left was very intent on introducing it.

[dps]

That just means that we aren't putting enough whites into prison.

See, this is where I think "colour-blindness" has simply gone off the deep end, when the urge to be "correct" has stunted our ability to discriminate where it's actually advantageous to do so. A good example is the recent Norwegian law that mandates all females of a certain age need to be screened for possible genital mutilation when the group at risk for this is very limited (more or less exclusively african) but the argument is that unless all girls are checked the at-risk groups will feel offended. I don't recall if it was ever put into effect, or whether it was and subsequently rescinded, but I do recall that it was a hot issue and specifically the left was very intent on introducing it.

That's not what you were saying earlier, though.  You were at least implying that the gang violence was a problem that only or almost only exists among black (and Hispanic) youth.  I'm saying it's not uncommon among white youth, either, especially in poor white neighborhoods (though it's not totally unknown even in well-to-do white neighborhoods).  In my book, if you want to behave like an animal, you need to be dealt with by the criminal justice system, no matter what color your skin is. 

[Slargos]

That's not what you were saying earlier, though.  You were at least implying that the gang violence was a problem that only or almost only exists among black (and Hispanic) youth.  I'm saying it's not uncommon among white youth, either, especially in poor white neighborhoods (though it's not totally unknown even in well-to-do white neighborhoods).  In my book, if you want to behave like an animal, you need to be dealt with by the criminal justice system, no matter what color your skin is.

Then let me set the book straight right now: This is not exclusively a black problem. Just look at Britain. Chavs may be scum, but black they ain't.

I believe, however, that most of the white youth behaving in the same fashion to a great extent have been integrated into black culture. At least in Sweden, it is far more common for Swedish youth to operate as PART of "ethnic" gangs rather than as part of entirely Swedish gangs when it comes to crimes like unprovoked assault (Even if it's a common and popular pastime in rural Sweden to meet up at pre-determined locations either by mutual agreement or by tradition and have a bit of a fight. Typically, however, it's just fisticuffs and people don't stomp on the heads of the vanquished which is a popular Arab tradition.) and robbery.

I also believe that by intentionally blinding yourself by taking the position that these crimes are individual and unrelated, and that every instance needs to be treated as if it happens in a vaccuum, you're also prohibiting yourself from dealing with the root causes.

AFAIK, the last 4 years there's not been a SINGLE recorded instance of an out-door assault-rape in Oslo (I don't recall your terminology for it, think hide-in-the-bushes-rape) where the offender was a Norwegian (and as usual I'm talking about actual Norwegians here, not "Norwegian citizens") and to my mind it's simply INSANE to not stop and consider what the fuck is going on. The "it could just as well have been Norwegians what dunit" is clearly a lie, and treating every incident as unrelated to the others leaves you unable to deal with it.

[Razgovory]

I didn't click the video.

[Capetan Mihali]

I didn't click the video.

You probably saw it somewhere already.  It's old as schtick.

[LaCroix]

and to my mind it's simply INSANE to not stop and consider what the fuck is going on.

what, that norwegians rape in the confines of their home or parties and aren't forced to wander the streets because they have already enough drugged up and passed out wimminz around?

[Slargos]

and to my mind it's simply INSANE to not stop and consider what the fuck is going on.

what, that norwegians rape in the confines of their home or parties and aren't forced to wander the streets because they have already enough drugged up and passed out wimminz around?

Maybe.

I just think it's inane to not want to ask the question.

[dps]

That's not what you were saying earlier, though.  You were at least implying that the gang violence was a problem that only or almost only exists among black (and Hispanic) youth.  I'm saying it's not uncommon among white youth, either, especially in poor white neighborhoods (though it's not totally unknown even in well-to-do white neighborhoods).  In my book, if you want to behave like an animal, you need to be dealt with by the criminal justice system, no matter what color your skin is.

Then let me set the book straight right now: This is not exclusively a black problem. Just look at Britain. Chavs may be scum, but black they ain't.

I believe, however, that most of the white youth behaving in the same fashion to a great extent have been integrated into black culture. At least in Sweden, it is far more common for Swedish youth to operate as PART of "ethnic" gangs rather than as part of entirely Swedish gangs when it comes to crimes like unprovoked assault (Even if it's a common and popular pastime in rural Sweden to meet up at pre-determined locations either by mutual agreement or by tradition and have a bit of a fight. Typically, however, it's just fisticuffs and people don't stomp on the heads of the vanquished which is a popular Arab tradition.) and robbery.

I also believe that by intentionally blinding yourself by taking the position that these crimes are individual and unrelated, and that every instance needs to be treated as if it happens in a vaccuum, you're also prohibiting yourself from dealing with the root causes.

AFAIK, the last 4 years there's not been a SINGLE recorded instance of an out-door assault-rape in Oslo (I don't recall your terminology for it, think hide-in-the-bushes-rape) where the offender was a Norwegian (and as usual I'm talking about actual Norwegians here, not "Norwegian citizens") and to my mind it's simply INSANE to not stop and consider what the fuck is going on. The "it could just as well have been Norwegians what dunit" is clearly a lie, and treating every incident as unrelated to the others leaves you unable to deal with it.

Given that in this courntry there were white youth gangs at a time when most blacks were still held in slavery, I don't think that whites involved in gang violence got it from integrating into black culture.

For a lot of things, I would agree with you that there are certain practices which are tied closely to certain groups (for example, female genital multilation), but youth gang violence isn't one of them, and your apparant belief that it is just illustrates my earlier point that you don't know jack about America.

[Jacob]

Slargles, you're pretty ignorant of American history if you think violent gangs in the ghetto are a black thing.

There's been violent Irish gangs, Chinese gangs, Italian gangs, Jewish gangs and so in the various ghettos across the US. It's almost as if it's the poverty and ghetto life that gives rise to gang violence and not ethnicity.

In the 20s and 30s, in Vancouver, it were Swedes who were thought to be the sub-human, violence prone, leeching elements of society; even to the point that there were riots against them.

[Pat]

In the 20s and 30s, in Vancouver, it were Swedes who were thought to be the sub-human, violence prone, leeching elements of society; even to the point that there were riots against them.

That's interesting. Sources/links?