Who the hell is an immigrant?

[Slargos]

It just seems odd that a people who a few generations ago flocked to my country to escape the poverty and famine that result in their incompetent self rule would be bothered by immigrants coming to their country for the same reason.  If anything, the Muslim would likely run it better.  After all, they managed to keep an empire for longer then the Swedes did.

:facepalm:

History understanding fail, read some Malthus (not the poster).

Anyway I thought it was pretty good, though of course it knocks down open doors.

I think the poster Malthus is more enlightening to then the theorist who's catastrophe never managed to occur.

... because his recommendations were largely inadvertently followed in the West.

If you look at the less civilized parts of the world, IE the Rest, that's a different story.

How many people are Not Starving solely on the basis of humanitarian aid?

[Pat]

It just seems odd that a people who a few generations ago flocked to my country to escape the poverty and famine that result in their incompetent self rule would be bothered by immigrants coming to their country for the same reason.  If anything, the Muslim would likely run it better.  After all, they managed to keep an empire for longer then the Swedes did.

:facepalm:

History understanding fail, read some Malthus (not the poster).

Anyway I thought it was pretty good, though of course it knocks down open doors.

I think the poster Malthus is more enlightening to then the theorist who's catastrophe never managed to occur.

Would've saved you from making that stupid argument.

[Camerus]

So with current trends, how much longer until Sweden becomes less than 50% ethnic Swedes?

[Pat]

IIRC we have ~1 mill first or second generation immigrants out of 9 million people currently (a percentage exceeding that of the %.immigrants in the US at any time the last 100 years btw). Slargos will probably know the exact numbers.

edit:clarified

[Syt]

30-40% of people in Vienna were either born abroad or have a parent born abroad.

Of course it's always a question who's meant when people talk of "immigrants" and "foreigners".

West/North Europeans and white Americans hardly register as "foreigners" of public debate. People always laugh when I say that - here, in Austria - I'm a foreigner/immigrant.

Foreigners means (in roughly this order):
- Turks
- Ex-Yugos
- Other Arab-looking folks
- Romanians/gypsies
- Other Balkans folks
- Black Africans
- everyone else

Chinese/Indians aren't part of public debate, even though there's quite a few here.

Also, the biggest single-nation group of foreigners in Vienna are Germans, which is also rarely notices.

[Pat]

The biggest single group of immigrants in Sweden is the finns. 

[Slargos]

So with current trends, how much longer until Sweden becomes less than 50% ethnic Swedes?

Projections say between 2035-2050 with current trends holding, might well be much closer to the sooner than the latter, given the rate of increase of immigration.

But the official answer is "Who's really Swedish? There's no such thing as an ethnic Swede".

[Pat]

So with current trends, how much longer until Sweden becomes less than 50% ethnic Swedes?

Projections say between 2035-2050 with current trends holding, might well be much closer to the sooner than the latter, given the rate of increase of immigration.

I'd like to know how those numbers are calculated.

[Camerus]

So with current trends, how much longer until Sweden becomes less than 50% ethnic Swedes?

Projections say between 2035-2050 with current trends holding, might well be much closer to the sooner than the latter, given the rate of increase of immigration.

How likely do you honestly consider that to become a reality?

[Valmy]

Well majority British-descended Americans have long ceased to be a literal majority over here but we have successfullly gotten most of the people to adopt our way of life anyway.  But that might just be because we are awesomer than Swedes.

[Razgovory]

It just seems odd that a people who a few generations ago flocked to my country to escape the poverty and famine that result in their incompetent self rule would be bothered by immigrants coming to their country for the same reason.  If anything, the Muslim would likely run it better.  After all, they managed to keep an empire for longer then the Swedes did.

:facepalm:

History understanding fail, read some Malthus (not the poster).

Anyway I thought it was pretty good, though of course it knocks down open doors.

I think the poster Malthus is more enlightening to then the theorist who's catastrophe never managed to occur.

Would've saved you from making that stupid argument.

Perhaps it would have caused me to Rape a POW as well.  You stick to your ways, and I'll stick to mine.

[Pat]

Well majority British-descended Americans have long ceased to be a literal majority over here but we have successfullly gotten most of the people to adopt our way of life anyway.  But that might just be because we are awesomer than Swedes.

Retard American talks about things he doesn't know anything about, news at 11. What is your source for the majority of immigrants here not adopting our way of life? Slargos? Seriously, what the fuck do you know about this?

[Valmy]

Retard American talks about things he doesn't know anything about, news at 11. What is your source for the majority of immigrants here not adopting our way of life? Slargos? Seriously, what the fuck do you know about this?

I was kidding around.  My central message is: probably nothing all that bad will happen.  People have been talking gloom and doom about immigrants since the first Irish and German got off the boat.  Ultimately everything has been fine.  The basic Anglo-Saxon nature of Americans remains unchanged even if the actual number of Anglo-Saxons is pretty small now.

[Pat]

Ok sorry for calling you a retard (i dont really consider you one, nor do i most americans here). Had to go and writing on my phone, will answer you in full later.

[Eddie Teach]

I don't think the preponderance of Britishness in Americans is as low as surveys would indicate, for two reasons. One, the original immigrants frequently came here much longer ago and got forgotten. Two, people with mixed ethnic heritage(which is nearly all of us) are more likely to latch on to a "cool" ancestry like German or Irish.