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Started by Josquius, April 04, 2011, 03:39:14 AM

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grumbler

Quote from: Berkut on May 16, 2016, 10:27:12 AM
This is the kind of thing that is just annoying, because you could make it "reasonable" with a 30 second clip showing (either after as a flashback, or before but make it ambiguous) Jorah and PrettyBoy prepping the location...hell, you could even make it interesting by having them trying to refuse her insane request to make the place flammable, because they don't believe she will be safe...

They just don't have time for every little thing.  If they'd spent time on how Dani's scheme was going to work, they'd have had to cut some or all of the scene where Tyrion is trying to get Grey Worm to play a drinking game.
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viper37

Quote from: Berkut on May 16, 2016, 10:27:12 AM
This is the kind of thing that is just annoying, because you could make it "reasonable" with a 30 second clip showing (either after as a flashback, or before but make it ambiguous) Jorah and PrettyBoy prepping the location...hell, you could even make it interesting by having them trying to refuse her insane request to make the place flammable, because they don't believe she will be safe...
and then you ruin all the surprise because you know what's going to happen?  Nah. 
Doing it after in a flashback would simply be "over explaining" in my mind.
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Berkut

Quote from: grumbler on May 16, 2016, 12:17:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 16, 2016, 10:27:12 AM
This is the kind of thing that is just annoying, because you could make it "reasonable" with a 30 second clip showing (either after as a flashback, or before but make it ambiguous) Jorah and PrettyBoy prepping the location...hell, you could even make it interesting by having them trying to refuse her insane request to make the place flammable, because they don't believe she will be safe...

They just don't have time for every little thing.  If they'd spent time on how Dani's scheme was going to work, they'd have had to cut some or all of the scene where Tyrion is trying to get Grey Worm to play a drinking game.

Exactly. :P
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Berkut

Quote from: viper37 on May 16, 2016, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 16, 2016, 10:27:12 AM
This is the kind of thing that is just annoying, because you could make it "reasonable" with a 30 second clip showing (either after as a flashback, or before but make it ambiguous) Jorah and PrettyBoy prepping the location...hell, you could even make it interesting by having them trying to refuse her insane request to make the place flammable, because they don't believe she will be safe...
and then you ruin all the surprise because you know what's going to happen?  Nah. 

Hence the point about making what they are doing ambiguous.
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Doing it after in a flashback would simply be "over explaining" in my mind.

Well, not doing something is not explaining at all, and makes people wonder why they live in fuel soaked huts.
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Zanza

I wonder if there will ever be a "director's cut" of Game of Thrones. I am sure they have much more material and just need to cut it to the 50 minutes per week.

grumbler

Quote from: viper37 on May 16, 2016, 12:17:49 PM
and then you ruin all the surprise because you know what's going to happen?  Nah. 
Doing it after in a flashback would simply be "over explaining" in my mind.
Nope.  You don't have to show everything to make the burning scene more believable/interesting.  You can just have them tell Dani that what she wants is dangerous, but that they will play their roles, without saying what it is she wants.  Maybe have the younger woman mention that she can get into the [whatever house] without anyone suspecting.

As it is, there seems to be no connection between Dani's comments to her co-conspirators and the fire itself.  it's possible that we are to take the unusual nature of the fire as Dani's magic (and that the conspiracy was just blocking the door and killing the guards), but it is also possible that we are to take it as a part of her conspiracy. 
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Josquius

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 16, 2016, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: Tyr on May 16, 2016, 11:53:29 AM
3: She had dragons. More of an impressive factor than the fire really.

Not really. Controlling the dragons would be.
They were crawling all over her, certainly she seemed to be controlling them.
One of the names she uses is the unburned but mother of dragons is a more prominent one.
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Hamilcar

Further evidence that Dany is actually UnDany, and has been for a long time. Unclear memory is a symptom of resurrection, and Dany clearly has weird and missing memories of her childhood.

Josquius

Quote from: Hamilcar on May 16, 2016, 02:31:04 PM
Further evidence that Dany is actually UnDany, and has been for a long time. Unclear memory is a symptom of resurrection, and Dany clearly has weird and missing memories of her childhood.
:hmm:
True on the childhood thing.
But what do you mean by unDany? There's some theory she's a evil daemon thinking its Dany?
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Martinus

Quote from: Tyr on May 16, 2016, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on May 16, 2016, 02:31:04 PM
Further evidence that Dany is actually UnDany, and has been for a long time. Unclear memory is a symptom of resurrection, and Dany clearly has weird and missing memories of her childhood.
:hmm:
True on the childhood thing.
But what do you mean by unDany? There's some theory she's a evil daemon thinking its Dany?

She is undead. Same as Jon.

Martinus

Quote from: Berkut on May 16, 2016, 10:27:12 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on May 16, 2016, 12:57:09 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 16, 2016, 12:44:02 AM
Lucky for Daeny the Khals like to pour barrels of napalm on the floor of their big tent when they meet.

:D

she must have some unknown ability to control fire. same thing happened at the pyre, S1. fire swept over it way too quickly. at least there was fuel there

This is the kind of thing that is just annoying, because you could make it "reasonable" with a 30 second clip showing (either after as a flashback, or before but make it ambiguous) Jorah and PrettyBoy prepping the location...hell, you could even make it interesting by having them trying to refuse her insane request to make the place flammable, because they don't believe she will be safe...

I kinda disagree. Having now watched the show, it is heavily implied they are all in on some sort of plot, but having another explanation that Danny is using some sort of Targ fire magic also works.

Martinus

The episode was about women taking charge - Danny, Sansa, Cersei, Olenna, Yara, Brienne, even Margaery and Osha, they all dominated men around them.  :showoff:

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Martinus on May 16, 2016, 03:37:25 PM
The episode was about women taking charge - Danny, Sansa, Cersei, Olenna, Yara, Brienne, even Margaery and Osha, they all dominated men around them.  :showoff:

Dany, sure. Sansa, well she convinced a man they had common aims. Cersei & Olenna are always plotting, but did they accomplish anything this week? Yara stood up to her broken little brother who just wanted to help her, Bravo. Brienne, no idea what you're talking about. Margaery, same. Osha, dead.
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Josquius

I think it was the episode before this one where there was a funny scene with Mace Tyrell finally getting a line....only to be cut off by Olena.
Interesting change for TV, to make her far more strong and out and out in charge. In the books her control is far more discrete.
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Martinus

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 16, 2016, 03:53:57 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 16, 2016, 03:37:25 PM
The episode was about women taking charge - Danny, Sansa, Cersei, Olenna, Yara, Brienne, even Margaery and Osha, they all dominated men around them.  :showoff:

Dany, sure. Sansa, well she convinced a man they had common aims. Cersei & Olenna are always plotting, but did they accomplish anything this week? Yara stood up to her broken little brother who just wanted to help her, Bravo. Brienne, no idea what you're talking about. Margaery, same. Osha, dead.

I am not saying all of them got what they wanted but all of them seem to be taking initiative. Meanwhile, men like Jon, Kevan etc. seemed to be pretty passive. Or toast.