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Started by Josquius, April 04, 2011, 03:39:14 AM

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garbon

#5460
April 28, 2015, 08:41:03 AM
Quote from: Norgy on April 28, 2015, 08:33:29 AM
It's the best TV made in the history of mankind. Just relax and enjoy it.

:hmm:
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grumbler

#5461
April 28, 2015, 08:42:28 AM
Quote from: Norgy on April 28, 2015, 08:33:29 AM
Why can't you just bloody enjoy a beautiful, fantastic drama?

It's the best TV made in the history of mankind. Just relax and enjoy it.

I don't see why those who just want to enjoy the show insist that others not talk about it or debate what the different events mean.  It isn't like you have to read the debates, or that I don't get to watch the show, enjoy it, and also debate and enjoy that.  Take your own advice:  just relax, enjoy the show, and so avoid threads titled anything like "Game of Thrones begins..."
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grumbler

#5462
April 28, 2015, 08:45:56 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 28, 2015, 08:34:27 AM
Yes.

This thread is 90% assumptions built upon assumptions, can we not use that word again?

Glad those third-grade tactics work up there in the frozen north.  I'll remember that if I need some third-grade-level debate.

In the meantime, you certainly can avoid using the word "assumption."  No one here is forcing you to use it.  If by 'we' you mean the rest of us, how about you let others use words as they are appropriate, and not try to dictate which ones people can and can't use, m'kay?
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Valmy

#5463
April 28, 2015, 08:46:30 AM
Congrats on graduating from the second to the third grade GF.
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grumbler

#5464
April 28, 2015, 08:48:17 AM
Quote from: Jaron on April 28, 2015, 08:35:42 AM
Yeah, I don't analyze the show nearly as much as some people here. Not to say that it's bad to do so, just that I enjoy it for what it is.

Exactly.  You can choose to join the discussion when it interests you, and avoid it when it doesn't.  Mostly, it doesn't, it would seem.  JR clearly seems to feel that way as well.  Neither of you tries to dictate what others do or which words they use.
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grumbler

#5465
April 28, 2015, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 28, 2015, 08:46:30 AM
Congrats on graduating from the second to the third grade GF.
:lol:  :Embarrass:
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Grey Fox

#5466
April 28, 2015, 08:59:37 AM
:yeah:

It's weird to alternate between agreeing and disagreeing with Grumbler on a post by post basis.
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Siege

#5467
April 28, 2015, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Norgy on April 28, 2015, 08:33:29 AM
Why can't you just bloody enjoy a beautiful, fantastic drama?

It's the best TV made in the history of mankind. Just relax and enjoy it.


No its not.
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The Minsky Moment

#5468
April 28, 2015, 07:18:26 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 27, 2015, 03:51:52 PM
Stannis has the largest army.

Didn't work so well for Renly. 

Actually my vague recollection from the books was that his army wasn't that big which is why he went for the northern gambit rather than confront the Lannisters directly.
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QuoteIf Stannis doesn't win and Bolton keeps Winterfell there is no hope for house Stark.

Maybe or maybe not - clearly the north is going to be in flux for some time with winter and such coming.  And if the Lannisters lose their grip in the capital or decide the Boltons aren't such useful allies. . . . put it this way - with Martin's hyper-War of the Roses narrative, no one's position is ever secure.
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Admiral Yi

#5469
April 28, 2015, 07:30:43 PM
IIRC Stannis is left with about 3,000 men when he ships north.

Habbaku

#5470
April 28, 2015, 07:35:40 PM
Indeed, though [spoiler]he has since received reinforcements of a sort from among the Wildlings and the Hill Clans[/spoiler].  His army is one of the smallest in the field, but it is also one of the best-motivated, I suspect.  Helps that his enemies aren't exactly unified.

Stannis already tried directly opposing the Lannisters--Tyrion did him in in that regard.
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#5471
April 28, 2015, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Norgy on April 28, 2015, 08:33:29 AM
Why can't you just bloody enjoy a beautiful, fantastic drama?

It's the best TV made in the history of mankind. Just relax and enjoy it.

Hardly
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Norgy

#5472
April 29, 2015, 04:15:07 AM
All right, I guess I would rate the French series "Spiral" ahead of it. And "Gomorrah" from Italy too.

crazy canuck

#5473
April 29, 2015, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 28, 2015, 07:18:26 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 27, 2015, 03:51:52 PM
Stannis has the largest army.

Didn't work so well for Renly. 

Actually my vague recollection from the books was that his army wasn't that big which is why he went for the northern gambit rather than confront the Lannisters directly.
'
QuoteIf Stannis doesn't win and Bolton keeps Winterfell there is no hope for house Stark.

Maybe or maybe not - clearly the north is going to be in flux for some time with winter and such coming.  And if the Lannisters lose their grip in the capital or decide the Boltons aren't such useful allies. . . . put it this way - with Martin's hyper-War of the Roses narrative, no one's position is ever secure.


He has the largest army in the North and no Lannister army is going to move away from the south.

Regarding your second point, if a Stark heir is put back into Winterfell the amount of uncertainty in the North would reduce dramatically with or without Stannis succeeding.

Martinus

#5474
April 29, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
Yup. Ned Stark was brought down because he went South and got isolated and killed. I don't suppose any Southern army (sans dragons) could take out a Stark in Winterfell.
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