Game of Thrones begins....

[jimmy olsen]

In the book, I thought Tyrion's reluctance to bed Sansa was out of character.
It is much more so in the TV show.

I disagree, he's a much nicer person in the TV show than he is in the books.

[Grinning_Colossus]

He drinks and fucks because he's depressed, not because he's a lout. He's been protective of Sansa in the past and doesn't want to violate her. She's also about the same age that Tysha was.

[Martinus]

Siegy doesn't understand Western culture - film at 11.

[Viking]

In the book, I thought Tyrion's reluctance to bed Sansa was out of character.
It is much more so in the TV show.

It is not out of character. He fucks whores because he can pay them to make him believe that they really like him. His most formative moment is when he found out that a girl who he thought he liked him for who he was was a paid whore. His internal monologue about his relationship with Shae is about him hoping she likes him for who he is and worrying that she doesn't. Sansa clearly does not want him. Sansa is clearly disgusted by him. Sansa makes it clear without a doubt that everybody sees him as a deformed monster. He can't pretend he is normal and handsome with her. That is why he doesn't want to bed her. He doesn't spare her for her sake, he spares her for his own sake.

[Berkut]

I think Tyrion is basically a pretty empathetic person. He is treated like shit pretty rgularly by others, and he doesn't like it, so he makes a pretty concerted effort to not treat others like shit, especially those who are vulnerable, like himself.

Sansa Stark is a victim in his eyes. He is not the type to force himself on anyone, he never has in the books or the show. It would be grossly out of character for him to rape Sansa.

[Eddie Teach]

I disagree, he's a much nicer person in the TV show than he is in the books.

I disagree with you both. Tyrion's treatment of Sansa was completely in character, which is essentially the same in tv and books.

[Berkut]

I disagree, he's a much nicer person in the TV show than he is in the books.

I disagree with you both. Tyrion's treatment of Sansa was completely in character, which is essentially the same in tv and books.

Indeed. It is kind of obvious really - Martin's only really human characters, those who are clearly "good" are all flawed in some rather obvious manner.

Jon Snow is a bastard
Tyrion is a dwarf
Daenyrs is just a mess in general
Bran is a cripple

The over-riding theme in GoT is the corrupting influence of power. Tyrion has been corrupted not by his own power, but by the power others have over him - primarily his father. How he responds to power himself, when he almost reluctantly (at first) comes to it, then begins to embrace it, and finally loses it all again is what makes his basically decent humanity interesting in contrast to those who simply take power for granted.

I think the most interesting contrast is not even between Cersei and Tyrion (after all, Cersei is almost a completely predictable character), but between Tyrion and Baelish. Baelish is the arch-type for Martin's "true" power figure. His power is completely based on his own accomplishment - he had no real help from his name of family. And how HE handles that power compared to Tyrion is telling. He would not rape Sansa either - but not because he cares about her per se, but because he realizes that physical domination is a trivial kind of power, and the power he needs is more complete than that that can be provided simply by physical control.

[Josephus]

In the book, I thought Tyrion's reluctance to bed Sansa was out of character.
It is much more so in the TV show.

In the end, don't forget that Tyrion is what people in Westeros say he is. He fucks whores and drink himself to sleep every night.

I don't know. He always had a soft spot for Sansa, for whatever reason.

[Grallon]

I wonder if the hot stud who swept my lovely Loras off his feet was an actual whore in one of Bailish' brothels or a simple man servant?  A really fine piece of ass though. 

So was, suprisingly, Brienne's.  As far as attraction between her and Jamie - I think it's more a case of a growing 'brothers-at-arms' sentiment than any actual sexual/emotional attraction.



G.

[viper37]

In the books do the gigantic butch chick and Jaime ever make the two backed beast?

it's about as it is in the series.  They begin to respect themselves, they come closer, but nothing more.

[Martinus]

Hot gay sex aside, I'm kinda disappointed with the character assassination of Loras.

[Sophie Scholl]

Hot gay sex aside, I'm kinda disappointed with the character assassination of Loras.

Up until last episode, it'd been a non-stop shitting on Stannis.  I'd love to feel pity for your crush, but it isn't happening.

[Neil]

Hot gay sex aside, I'm kinda disappointed with the character assassination of Loras.

It's not like the books are any better.  Loras is consistently played as a shallow idiot playing at knighthood.

[viper37]

In the end, don't forget that Tyrion is what people in Westeros say he is. He fucks whores and drink himself to sleep every night.

What's wrong with that?

Anyway.  Tyrion is highly intelligent, probably nearly as much as his father, but without the cruelty.  There's still a bit of naiveté to him.

[Razgovory]

Hot gay sex aside, I'm kinda disappointed with the character assassination of Loras.

It's not like the books are any better.  Loras is consistently played as a shallow idiot playing at knighthood.

Yeah, as much Marty loves Loras and Renly they are both depicted as stereotypically vain and frivolous gays.