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Started by Savonarola, March 24, 2011, 12:23:21 PM

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Savonarola

QuoteSyria pledges reforms after protests 

Government to consider ending emergency rule and licensing political parties in wake of deadly protests.

Last Modified: 24 Mar 2011 17:12
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Syria will "study" ending an emergency rule in place since 1963 and look into licensing political parties, a
presidential adviser has said, after a week of deadly protests in the country's south.

"I am happy to announce to you the decisions made today by the Arab Baath party under the auspices of President Bashar al-Assad ... which include ... studying the possibility of lifting the emergency law and licensing political parties," the president's media adviser Buthaina Shaaban said at a news conference on Thursday.

The announcement came after one week of protests in the southern city of Daraa against Assad's governemnt which has left scores dead.

Study hard, Syrians!
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

MadImmortalMan

Hopefully that would spread to Iran.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Legbiter

When the place blows up like a toilet it'll be a free-for-all between the Sunnis, Alawites, Christians and the Druze. Throw in the Israelis for good measure for an almighty clusterfuck.
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Caliga

There will be a followup communication in a few weeks:

"This study will conclude in 2080." :)

Man, this is easy.  I should have been born an Assad. :(
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derspiess

Quote from: Caliga on March 24, 2011, 01:59:52 PM
There will be a followup communication in a few weeks:

"This study will conclude in 2080." :)

Man, this is easy.  I should have been born an Assad. :(

During those stressful nights Mr. Assad will be up late studying, I wonder if he'll wish he had stayed in London to be an ophthalmologist.  I like to imagine him doing eye exams at Lens Crafters, grumbling nonsense about Lebanon & Israel under his breath :D
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Caliga on March 24, 2011, 01:59:52 PM
There will be a followup communication in a few weeks:

"This study will conclude in 2080." :)

Man, this is easy.  I should have been born an Assad. :(

Why even bother though? It's obviously just words, and the regime's opponents will recognize this and continue the protest. Either go the Gaddafi route or commit to real reform. There's no in between.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Caliga

Quote from: derspiess on March 24, 2011, 04:22:57 PM
During those stressful nights Mr. Assad will be up late studying, I wonder if he'll wish he had stayed in London to be an ophthalmologist.  I like to imagine him doing eye exams at Lens Crafters, grumbling nonsense about Lebanon & Israel under his breath :D
:lol:

"We'll have your liberal reforms ready... in about an hour."
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besuchov

Its intressting though, that the Syrians pledge reforms in the face of protests. Before this, the perception was of a confident government prepared to do what it takes to supress protests. Now they appear like a government shaken by protests and uncertain what they need to do. This will only strengthen courage of any potential protesters.

Eddie Teach

If they brutally crack down at this point, they risk getting the West involved. The policy of stalling by appearing willing to play along long enough for European leaders' appetite for interventionism to be sated may be the wiser course ultimately.  :hmm:
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Tamas

Well maybe the Arabs aren't as slow learners as they seem to be: it is perfectly possible to maintain power and influence under a "democracy", you just need to make sure to raise the new liberal elite yourself - select a known few of them and strike a deal.
That's how most East Euro commies did it.


So, all I am saying:
NO FLY ZONE OVER SYRIA!!!!1111oneoneone

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 25, 2011, 02:45:59 AM
If they brutally crack down at this point, they risk getting the West involved. The policy of stalling by appearing willing to play along long enough for European leaders' appetite for interventionism to be sated may be the wiser course ultimately.  :hmm:
Syria's significantly stronger than Libya is though isn't it? That makes a difference.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Caliga

Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 25, 2011, 06:54:24 AM
Syria's significantly stronger than Libya is though isn't it? That makes a difference.
:hmm: How did Syria do the last time it was in an all-out military conflict?
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Caliga

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KRonn

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http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/03/24/syria.unrest/index.html?hpt=T2

As unrest spreads, Syrian government promises to respond

(CNN) -- Tensions boiled in a volatile Syrian community Thursday as thousands turned up for the funerals of people killed in unrest. Meanwhile, Syria's government blamed the instability on outsiders and announced plans to study popular demands, including the lifting of the country's decades-old emergency law.

Syria is the latest in a string of Arabic-speaking nations beset with discontent over economic and human rights issues. Syrian discontent centers on Daraa, a southern city in the impoverished country's agricultural region, where violence has been escalating between security forces and anti-government protesters since late last week.

Wissam Tarif, executive director of the human rights organization Insan, said at least 34 people have been killed in Daraa in the past two days. Other activists believe many more have been killed.

Tarif said as many as 20,000 people followed the funeral procession for those who died in the violence, including a conscripted soldier who was reportedly shot and wounded because he refused to fire on demonstrators.


A witness, who asked not to be named, said 10 "martyrs" were buried following afternoon prayers, with the people in the procession mourning the loss of the victims and chanting anti-government slogans.

Kamal Aswad, a political activist in Daraa, said people in the funeral procession were chanting: "Those who kill their own people are traitors" and he said activists are trying to generate support for a big protest on Friday -- a "Day of Martyrs" to be held after Friday prayers.

Syrian state TV portrayed an opposite picture of the public mood. Scenes broadcast Thursday included fireworks and crowds of pro-government supporters waving pictures of President Bashar al-Assad and shouting, "with our bloods and our souls, we defend you Bashar!"

The footage was marked onscreen as "live," but it could not be determined when the footage actually originated.

Also Thursday, state TV broadcast an "urgent" message that read: "Following a directive by President Assad, all those who were detained in the latest events were released."

It could not be determined whether the statement was true.

State TV reported on Wednesday that the government fired the provincial governor amid the demonstrations.

The Obama administration on Thursday released a statement condemning "the Syrian government's brutal repression of demonstrations, in particular the violence and killings of civilians at the hands of security forces."

"We call on the Syrian government to exercise restraint and respect the rights of its people and call on all citizens to exercise their rights peacefully," the White House statement read.

Al-Assad's government on Thursday announced a number of measures apparently addressing protesters' demands. Among them, decrees to cut taxes and raise government workers salaries by 1,500 Syrian pounds ($32.60 US) a month, as well as pledges to provide more press freedoms, increased job opportunities and curbs on government corruption.

The government also said it would study lifting the country's emergency law and new legislation that would license political parties.

Syria's emergency law has been in effect since 1963. The law allows the government to make preventive arrests and override constitutional and penal code statutes. It also bars detainees who haven't been charged from filing court complaints or from having a lawyer present during interrogations.

The government also announced Thursday it will form a committee "to contact and listen to citizens in Daraa."

Bouthina Shaaban, a spokeswoman for al-Assad, passed along his condolences to those killed in Daraa and said the president "would not accept any bloodshed."

"I was an eyewitness to his excellency's orders that no live bullets would be used against the demonstrators," Shaaban said.

Shaaban also said the government is investigating the unrest in Daraa and that there are "indications and proof that there is a foreign financial support."

"Daraa was chosen because of its geographic location near the borders and how easy it is to transfer money and weapons to the city," Shaaban said, referring to the area's proximity to Jordan.

The Jordanian government on Thursday released a statement on state TV denying "as baseless, reports that fighters and vehicles loaded with weapons entered Syria from inside Jordanian territory."

"Such reports are nothing but media allegations that will not affect the good relations between the two countries," the statement read.

Syria is a diverse country, largely Sunni Muslim but ruled by the minority Alawite Muslim sect. It is also populated by Christians and members of the Druze sect. Along with Arabs, it has a significant Kurdish minority, which has been restive in recent years, and an Armenian population.

Those populations are controlled by a government that human rights groups consider one of the most repressive in the world.

In 2010, Syria ranked 127th out of 178 countries in transparency and accountability to the public, according to the international government watchdog group Transparency International. On a scale of 0 to 10, the lowest score representing the world's most corrupt governments, Syria scored a 2.5, Transparency International reported.

Human rights groups estimate that tens of thousands of people were killed in Syria during the three decades under the rule of Hafez al-Assad, the current president's father. Bashar al-Assad came to power in 2000 promising reforms, but aside from implementing some economic reforms, failed to deliver, according to human rights groups.

Joshua Landis, who runs the Syria Comment blog and is director of the Center for Middle East Studies and associate professor at University of Oklahoma, told CNN that the unrest in Daraa is spurred by a number of factors, widespread poverty, a dislike for the emergency law and the arrests two weeks ago of young people who scrawled anti-government graffiti.

It is also driven by Sunni resentment against a government controlled by Alawites, among them, al-Assad.

So far, Landis said, the rallies been localized to Daraa but it's possible that there will be demonstrations elsewhere on Friday.

"Daraa is very poor and Islamic -- it optimizes everything that troubles Syria -- a failed economy, the population explosion, a bad governor and overbearing security forces," Landis wrote in his blog. "It is an explosive brew. Even if the government can contain violence to Daraa for the time-being, protests will spread. The wall of fear has broken. Apathy of the young has turned to anger,"

Because there are so few sources available from what has been a closed, authoritarian society, human rights activists are trying to get a handle on the number of casualties and the context behind the unrest in Daraa, which is a more conservative, tribal and close-knit community.

Amnesty International said it has been "deeply disturbed by reports of multiple deaths" in Daraa, as security forces fired "at protesters and people coming to the aid of the injured."

Along with many killed in the violence over the past 36 hours there were 92 confirmed arrests, according to Neil Sammonds an Amnesty researcher on Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. Sammonds said there are reports of army snipers shooting women carrying water and an 11-year-old girl.

It's "hard to imagine these are front-line protesters," Sammonds said.