UK Immigration Reform - Or Why Tories Are Scum

[Slargos]

Yeah I guess the brown people were fun to have around when they agreed to do the dirty jobs you whites did not want to and opted to welfare instead. But now their number is out of control and suddenly the majority realizes the third worlders will not integrate by cleaning the toilets in Europe.

Well, a bit more seriously, I do subscribe to the whole struggle of civilizations thingie, and to me it looks like Western Europe is at the stage where the Western Romans were, when they kept accepting barbarians in to solve their problems, only to find they are replacing problems and not solving them.

I am glad that you've finally accepted your place on the scale, Gypsy. 

[Richard Hakluyt]

So do NZ and Australia.

And, indeed, Bulgaria........I know that because they spammed me an invite recently 

[Tamas]

Yeah I guess the brown people were fun to have around when they agreed to do the dirty jobs you whites did not want to and opted to welfare instead. But now their number is out of control and suddenly the majority realizes the third worlders will not integrate by cleaning the toilets in Europe.

Well, a bit more seriously, I do subscribe to the whole struggle of civilizations thingie, and to me it looks like Western Europe is at the stage where the Western Romans were, when they kept accepting barbarians in to solve their problems, only to find they are replacing problems and not solving them.

I am glad that you've finally accepted your place on the scale, Gypsy. 

I am white, and this will surely not be questioned by a descendant of pirates on the fringes of the continent.

[Brazen]

Few people from the UK are objecting as it's addressing our main concerns about immigration, mainly non-EU citizens staying on after student visas and those coming in to do less skilled work cheaper than Brits. Professionals earning over a certain amount will have no problem staying, not just millionaire investors.

I can't imagine rolling up to any country outside the EU and expecting to stay indefinitely working in a burger bar, can you?

[Slargos]

Yeah I guess the brown people were fun to have around when they agreed to do the dirty jobs you whites did not want to and opted to welfare instead. But now their number is out of control and suddenly the majority realizes the third worlders will not integrate by cleaning the toilets in Europe.

Well, a bit more seriously, I do subscribe to the whole struggle of civilizations thingie, and to me it looks like Western Europe is at the stage where the Western Romans were, when they kept accepting barbarians in to solve their problems, only to find they are replacing problems and not solving them.

I am glad that you've finally accepted your place on the scale, Gypsy. 

I am white, and this will surely not be questioned by a descendant of pirates on the fringes of the continent.

Certainly not. Hyperborea has no interest in asking politely. 

[Warspite]

Professionals earning over a certain amount will have no problem staying, not just millionaire investors.

I talked about this in another thread.

They have set a very high bar for "professionals earning over a certain amount", which is now excluding a lot of talented, hard-working non-EU professionals. Professionals who have worked in the UK for top firms over the last few years now find that, unless they are above this arbitrary barrier, their work permits are not being renewed.

And by gum, we need these talented individuals. Many of them are educated in the "hard" subjects that our graduates like to avoid.

I don't think the idea that the UK is going to suddenly compete with places like the US and Canada for roving entrepreneurial capital holds much water.

Of course, nothing is being done to stop the world's filthy lucre from being parked in London property, which to be honest does more to hurt the middle and lower classes in the city, through significant knock-on house price rises, than the illegal takeaway chef.

[Gups]

Professionals earning over a certain amount will have no problem staying, not just millionaire investors.

Of course, nothing is being done to stop the world's filthy lucre from being parked in London property, which to be honest does more to hurt the middle and lower classes in the city, through significant knock-on house price rises, than the illegal takeaway chef.

Agree with most of what you say but not this. The super prime London residential market is utterly separate from the rest of the market. It has as little effect on the <£1m market as does e.g. cocoa prices.

[Warspite]

Agree with most of what you say but not this. The super prime London residential market is utterly separate from the rest of the market. It has as little effect on the <£1m market as does e.g. cocoa prices.

Well, the >£1m market is surprisingly large.

A three-bed family home in Muswell Hill (zone 3, no tube station) now goes for about £2.5m.

Given that there are so few new builds and conversions, I really think there is a substantial knock-on effect; snapping up leaseholds in Belgravia and Hampstead pushes people into Kensington and St John's Wood, which then pushes people into Fulham and Archway.

[Tamas]

Professionals earning over a certain amount will have no problem staying, not just millionaire investors.

I talked about this in another thread.

They have set a very high bar for "professionals earning over a certain amount", which is now excluding a lot of talented, hard-working non-EU professionals. Professionals who have worked in the UK for top firms over the last few years now find that, unless they are above this arbitrary barrier, their work permits are not being renewed.

[MadImmortalMan]

I have a serious question about this. There is a very real possibility that my wife may be able to get the company to move her job to London (or maybe Dublin). Would I be pretty much unable to enter the job market if that happened?

[Barrister]

Few people from the UK are objecting as it's addressing our main concerns about immigration, mainly non-EU citizens staying on after student visas and those coming in to do less skilled work cheaper than Brits. Professionals earning over a certain amount will have no problem staying, not just millionaire investors.

I can't imagine rolling up to any country outside the EU and expecting to stay indefinitely working in a burger bar, can you?

Our local burger bars (and Tim Horton coffee shops, and Canadian Tires) are having real trouble finding workers, so they're importing Philipinos by the planeload.

[Warspite]

I have a serious question about this. There is a very real possibility that my wife may be able to get the company to move her job to London (or maybe Dublin). Would I be pretty much unable to enter the job market if that happened?

What kind of visa will she have? You should be able to qualify to work as a dependent.

[MadImmortalMan]

Define "dependent". Here it means someone who does not work and is supported by the head of the household.

[Grey Fox]

Define "dependent". Here it means someone who does not work and is supported by the head of the household.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier2/general/dependants/eligibility/

Who is a dependant?
A dependant is:

your husband, wife or civil partner; or
your unmarried or same-sex partner; or
your child aged under 18 years old.
Your dependants can be over 18 years old if they are in the United Kingdom now as dependants.

And the other section :

Working and conditions
This page explains what work dependants of skilled worker (Tier 2 General) applicants of the points-based system to work in the United Kingdom can do.

What work your dependants can do
Your dependants are allowed to work, though your dependant cannot work as a doctor in training.

[The Brain]

Filtering your immigrants is evil now? Of course rich people are more attractive. Immigrating to the UK isn't a universal right.